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Ok...but what about bigthirsty's contention that "natural causes" is a very tricky subject? What exactly is "natural causes"? If there is a way to reduce the number of miscarriages (by advocating universal prenatal care), then it's not entirely out of our hands, and therefore not left up to "natural causes". If that is the case, isn't it immoral not to try to reduce the number of miscarriages?
Imagine a person was about to be killed by a tornado (a "natural" death), and you had a way to notify that person to get out of the path of the tornado. Have you committed a sin if you do not notify that person? Or is it not a sin simply because that person died of "natural causes"?
i could be wrong but i dont think that many naturally caused miscarriages are preventable. there are tons of babies born to mothers who drink and do drugs and have no prenatal care. the fetus is very very tough and can withstand alot of abuse unless it is some kind of chromosomal defect.
Ok...but what about bigthirsty's contention that "natural causes" is a very tricky subject? What exactly is "natural causes"? If there is a way to reduce the number of miscarriages (by advocating universal prenatal care), then it's not entirely out of our hands, and therefore not left up to "natural causes". If that is the case, isn't it immoral not to try to reduce the number of miscarriages?
Imagine a person was about to be killed by a tornado (a "natural" death), and you had a way to notify that person to get out of the path of the tornado. Have you committed a sin if you do not notify that person? Or is it not a sin simply because that person died of "natural causes"?
It has been a while since I became involved in this type of discussion--however, based on past experience there is no 'final answer'.
It sounds like we are headed into stem cell research territory.
I know I believe in a Higher Power that encourages the development of abilities and that somethings will never be fully known--that's about all I am prepared to say today.
Imagine a person was about to be killed by a tornado (a "natural" death), and you had a way to notify that person to get out of the path of the tornado. Have you committed a sin if you do not notify that person? Or is it not a sin simply because that person died of "natural causes"?
You do what is humanly possible for you to do. I would do my best to notify that person to get out of the way. However, if they don't heed my warning, then the consequences are on their own head. The same could be said of smoking pregnant women. I'm pretty sure that most women (in the U.S., at least) know that it is harmful to the fetus if you smoke or drink while pregnant. There are public service commercials done on it all of the time. You can't follow all pregnant women around 24/7 to ensure that they don't smoke. If one of these women miscarries, then you could say that the baby did not die of natural causes.
However, there are many, many women that just have trouble carrying to term. It has nothing to do with substances that they intake. These would be considered natural causes. I don't know why...I'll leave that in God's hands.
I would certainly hope that every single one of these members of conservative Christian churches has opened their home to the tens of thousands of unwanted foster children out there.
there is a BIG difference between miscarriage and abortion. one is nature's way and the other is purposefully done.
also, i think alot of miscarriages happen because the baby/fetus has a defect which may be incompatible with life but alot (most) abortions happen to perfectly healthy babies.
Not so sure there is a difference between abortion and miscarriage, presumably you mean miscarriage is brought about by physical defect, but cannot abortion be seen as mental defect and why if mental refers to the body cannot this be also considered physical.
It is thought a lot of miscarriages are caused because the foetus is deformed or otherwise unhealthy, who is to say the aborted are healthy, a number must be otherwise, so who can safely condemn?
Not so sure there is a difference between abortion and miscarriage, presumably you mean miscarriage is brought about by physical defect, but cannot abortion be seen as mental defect and why if mental refers to the body cannot this be also considered physical.
It is thought a lot of miscarriages are caused because the foetus is deformed or otherwise unhealthy, who is to say the aborted are healthy, a number must be otherwise, so who can safely condemn?
i am sorry to say that most abortions happen because of factors other than fetus health.
I fully believe that life begins at conception. I believe at that moment, God creates a soul. I believe that all of those tiny little lives/souls that may survive in the womb just a few days or weeks will be in heaven. I myself have had two tubal pregnancies that only lived a few weeks and I believe I will see those children in heaven. I can't begin to understand why God allows those beings to be created and why they have to die after just a short time but then again who am I to question His motives. I will ask Him though when I get to heaven
I fully believe that life begins at conception. I believe at that moment, God creates a soul. I believe that all of those tiny little lives/souls that may survive in the womb just a few days or weeks will be in heaven. I myself have had two tubal pregnancies that only lived a few weeks and I believe I will see those children in heaven. I can't begin to understand why God allows those beings to be created and why they have to die after just a short time but then again who am I to question His motives. I will ask Him though when I get to heaven
I think you're right.
(((Faith)))
bhs
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