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Just because hitler called himself a Christian does not MAKE him a Christian.
I can call myself Heidi Klum, but that doesn't make me a beautiful model
None of us can change the fact that hitler was delusional enough to believe any of the wrong-headed evil things he believed - but the fact that HE believed any of them doesn't make them true or accurate.
Just because hitler called himself a Christian does not MAKE him a Christian.
I can call myself Heidi Klum, but that doesn't make me a beautiful model
None of us can change the fact that hitler was delusional enough to believe any of the wrong-headed evil things he believed - but the fact that HE believed any of them doesn't make them true or accurate.
Agreed. He was obviously sick in the head, and Christian or not, he was evil.
Just because hitler called himself a Christian does not MAKE him a Christian.
I can call myself Heidi Klum, but that doesn't make me a beautiful model
None of us can change the fact that hitler was delusional enough to believe any of the wrong-headed evil things he believed - but the fact that HE believed any of them doesn't make them true or accurate.
He believed that Jews were a substandard race and that idea was only foisted on the populace by christians. They were blamed for the crucifiction of the mythical jesus and folk justified their persecution based on the bible where the Jews allegedly stated at his imaginary trial that "let his blood be on our heads and the heads of our children"
This was the EXACT reasoning my father gave me as a kid when I was learning at school of the holocaust. That was in the 60s.
To claim he was not a christian is special pleading and playing the no true Scotsman fallacy card.
If he was not a christian, what then are the correct boiler template requirements to be a christian?
Hitler is an embarrassment to xians just like the crusades, the inquisition and the Salem witch trials were. All of these were driven by the belief in bible god and current teachings of these eras.
He believed that Jews were a substandard race and that idea was only foisted on the populace by christians. They were blamed for the crucifiction of the mythical jesus and folk justified their persecution based on the bible where the Jews allegedly stated at his imaginary trial that "let his blood be on our heads and the heads of our children"
This was the EXACT reasoning my father gave me as a kid when I was learning at school of the holocaust. That was in the 60s.
To claim he was not a christian is special pleading and playing the no true Scotsman fallacy card.
If he was not a christian, what then are the correct boiler template requirements to be a christian?
Hitler is an embarrassment to xians just like the crusades, the inquisition and the Salem witch trials were. All of these were driven by the belief in bible god and current teachings of these eras.
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Reading comprehension is your friend. Meester-Chung was referring to the slandering of atheists. I don't think many people give a crap about whether or not Hitler is slandered. As to the actual topic, I think he fell somewhere in between. If you do a lot research on it, it appears that he gives a whole lot of lip service to Christianity, but also says many things that don't fall in line with that. The truth? You don't know and neither do I. This is just an attempt on your part to slander atheists and non believers, as you tend to do with every chance you have.
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[quote=SeekerSA;32316651]The irony here is an admission that christans are gullible and we have seen that all too often in the past and recently.
Considering that he managed to mobilise all of Germany with his rhetoric spiced with chritian values (as has been pointed out already) with the blessings of the RCC one should be asking how they were duped?
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But I do understand your need to say Hitler was a christian. Hey it is clear he played the Christian card to achieve his purposes. He was smart. And you guys can't see that? Hitler = Christian. WW2 thus was a religious war and Christians are evil. Pulease............In the light of historical facts it ain't so.
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Why do you think you have studied sad human Adolf well enough to know that he was a secrete non-Christian who hated his Catholic mother which his Jewish doctor said he "loved extremely."
Sure his dad was extensively anti-religionist, but his dad was also extensively abusive and Adolf hated him. Why would he take up the believes of those he hated?
So he banned and killed atheists (communists and anti-fascists) because he was secretly one of them?
He was a secular Jesus-fan.
Hitler was a religionists to the likes of Plato's The Republic, where he saw Atheists and Agnostics as too independent and self-centered, the ruiners of society because of their criticisms and disdain for blind order.
Hitler hated the meek "Christianity" he saw around him but he firmly believed God was guiding evolution and racism. He loved Jesus as a fighter against Jewish vipers. He commented on the beauty of Islam and his fancy for it's strict, vengeful, and forceful views.
He, like religionists, wanted to legitimize his views instead of correcting them. He began to see Paul's (a Jew) Christianity as a Jewish plan to destroy Rome (which worked, by the way).
God with Us ("Emmanuel" the Messiah's name), was the Nazi motto under his command.
Why do you refuse to keep learning about the dynamic of Adolf's growth and true beliefs? There is more to learn. Nothing you posted means that he wasn't working from his own values, which is what Christians do anyway, they just project them onto a character in their heads called Jesus.
Hitler hated "Christianity" as much as John Calvin and Christian fundamentalist groups hate Catholic (Universal) Christianity.
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In one 1933 speech, he said that "To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk." In another he said: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
The NSDAP Party Program stated: “We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession....”
Communism and traditional socialism were both intensely hated by the Nazi party which argued that, as atheistic and Jewish ideologies, they threatened the future of both German and Christian civilization. In this, most Christians in Germany and elsewhere agreed and this explains much of the Nazis popular support.
Early on, many Catholic leaders criticized Nazism; after 1933, criticism turned to support and praise. Commonalities between Nazism and Catholics were anti-communism, anti-atheism, and anti-secularism. Catholic churches helped identify Jews for extermination. After the war, Catholic leaders helped former Nazis back into power. Protestants were even more attracted to Nazism than Catholics; they, not Catholics, produced a movement (German Christians) dedicated to blending Nazi ideology and Christian doctrine. Hitler Was an Atheist Who Killed Millions in the Name of Atheism, Secularism? Was the Nazi Party Based on an Atheist, Anti-Christian Ideology?
It really doesn't matter what faith or lack of faith Hitler had. He was a corrupt leader who should only serve as a lesson in history. There are thousands of examples of corrupt leaders throughout history, some religious, some not so religious. So far, "Mental illness" hasn't been conquered by Theists or atheists. Horrible acts haven't been prevented by God, or Allah, or Buddha, etc. None have the power to prevent even the lone mass murdering shooter much less the likes of Hitler or Kim Jung On or the Queen of Englands beheading spree. (example, dabbled in both, non religious, and Catholic) All corrupt and ill, none prevented by a God. It doesn't matter.
What we should be focusing on now is what creates such a person? How can we address this? One thing that prevents these people from getting their mental health addressed is presuming "evil" exists. People are just "evil", whole countries are just "evil", we are fighting the "axes of evil"
This clouds judgment and prevents the cure. For there to be evil there would have to be Satan at work. Difficult to correct behaviors that are dangerous when being written off as just "evil doings" Mental illness comes in all flavors, and colors. Simple as that.
Let me ask you this Mr5150 - why does it matter to you? What difference does it make? Shouldn't we just use it as a lesson and use the "not repeat" button?
Exactly. He was neither Christian nor atheist - he was just pure evil.
Exactly my point. I never said or implied Hitler was an atheist.
I do wish that certain posters would read the link and not just fly off the handle based on the title of a thread.
Religious views of Adolf Hitler
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Hitler in 1933
Adolf Hitler was raised by an anticlerical, sceptic father and a devout Catholic mother. Baptized and confirmed as a child in Austria, he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to set aside his views on religion out of political considerations. He repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science. It is generally accepted by historians that Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany. The adult Hitler did not believe in the Judeo-Christian notion of God, though various scholars consider his final religious position may have been a form of deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question of atheism is debated, however reputable Hitler biographers Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree Hitler was anti-Christian. This view is evidenced in sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann which are contained within Hitler's Table Talk, an influential translation of which was completed by historian Hugh Trevor Roper.
Exactly my point. I never said or implied Hitler was an atheist.
I do wish that certain posters would read the link and not just fly off the handle based on the title of a thread.
Religious views of Adolf Hitler
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Hitler in 1933
Adolf Hitler was raised by an anticlerical, sceptic father and a devout Catholic mother. Baptized and confirmed as a child in Austria, he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in seeking out and in trying to retain power in Germany, he was prepared to set aside his views on religion out of political considerations. He repeatedly stated that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on science. It is generally accepted by historians that Hitler's post war and long term goal was the eradication of Christianity in Germany. The adult Hitler did not believe in the Judeo-Christian notion of God, though various scholars consider his final religious position may have been a form of deism. Others consider him "atheist". The question of atheism is debated, however reputable Hitler biographers Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree Hitler was anti-Christian. This view is evidenced in sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann which are contained within Hitler's Table Talk, an influential translation of which was completed by historian Hugh Trevor Roper.
So what? Do you need the "crazy man" stamp?
People hunted the crazy man down and stop him, just like they've done with all other crazy men. I don't think any Theist or atheist escapes the "crazy man" stamp. I still don't see your intent, nor your point. So what if he was or was not a Christian? Could have been in the Taliban and driven planes into buildings, or had ties to Branch Davidians and captured people and abused them, or maybe he could just be "crazy man"
Did you have an argument you are finishing up with this thread we all don't know about? Was Hitler a Christian or not argument? Your passion about this is unclear. Why start a thread on this?
Hitler being mentally unwell sort of clouds any sort of religious preference for me, who care what religious or non religious preference a crazy man had? Like it matters. It could have been his hatred for baseball players or his own mother. Doesn't matter, he was crazy. Crazy is crazy.
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