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Old 12-01-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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zero plus zero


.....As science tries to justify that all this could come from none
When It's a simple sum Zero plus zero plus zero cannot possibly ever
Give you one. So from where did all this order come?
For everything has it's origins, a maker, a creator of it's own....


THE MEANING OF LIFE | MUSLIM SPOKEN WORD | HD - YouTube
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Old 12-01-2013, 02:32 PM
 
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post this in the Islam forum. if everything comes from the creator where did the creator comes from. this is called argument from ignorance
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:45 PM
 
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Not that existence is zero but 0+1-1=0
Furthermore, it is an incomplete Allah which can't be 2, or 3, or infinity.
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Old 12-01-2013, 06:40 PM
 
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post this in the Islam forum.
I have already done that but those who do not believe in the creator or those who are in doubt they are the one who need it most.

//www.city-data.com/forum/islam...c-clips-5.html


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. if everything comes from the creator where did the creator comes from.

that is not a logical question.

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. this is called argument from ignorance
the ignorance can be for the one who does not have the knowledge

we have the knowledge
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:28 PM
 
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I have already done that but those who do not believe in the creator or those who are in doubt they are the one who need it most.
no people who don't believe in the creator are doing find without a sky dictator


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. if everything comes from the creator where did the creator comes from.

that is not a logical question.

what makes it not logical?

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the ignorance can be for the one who does not have the knowledge

we have the knowledge

and what makes you have this special access to the knowledge of a creator that the rest of don't have?
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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that is not a logical question.
Oh, quite to the contrary. If you believe that everything must come from something then it is quite logical to ask the question, "where did the creator come from."
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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the ignorance can be for the one who does not have the knowledge

we have the knowledge
humans can only have believes,
gods can only have believes,
there is no believe truer than agnosticism.

The ignorance comes from those who choose to ignore their very own nature, out of fear and a nurtured dislike for reality.
there is no wisdom greater than knowing oneself.

there is no believe of knowledge without faith, because there is no actual knowledge for the thinkers but only thoughts.

Doubt is a strength over lack of doubt. That which can doubt is agnostic, that which can't or won't doubt if pitied.
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Old 12-02-2013, 07:25 AM
 
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no people who don't believe in the creator are doing find
it is just temporary .
what is a 100 years comparing to a billions to the power of billions light years, in other word eternity


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what makes it not logical?


because measuring the representations of judging on things misplaced.
if a Joiner have created a door, do you think it is logical for the door to ask the Joiner "where did you Joiner come from".
the attributes of the door (The created) is different than the attributes of the Joiner (The creator).
similarly the attributes of Allah the creator is different than the attributes of us.


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and what makes you have this special access to the knowledge of a creator that
the rest of don't have?
there are many reasons
one of it is the language

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Oh, quite to the contrary. If you believe that everything must come from something then it is quite logical to ask the question, "where did the creator come from."


I don't believe in GodAllah By Edah Alnahdi
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Old 12-02-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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Science no more teaches that everything came from nothing than you teach that Allah came from nothing.
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Old 12-02-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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it is just temporary .
what is a 100 years comparing to a billions to the power of billions light years, in other word eternity
this does not prove the existence of you god


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because measuring the representations of judging on things misplaced.
if a Joiner have created a door, do you think it is logical for the door to ask the Joiner "where did you Joiner come from".
the attributes of the door (The created) is different than the attributes of the Joiner (The creator).
similarly the attributes of Allah the creator is different than the attributes of us.
this is called special pleading which is a logical fallacy theists always use to claim that everything has a beginning exept their god.


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there are many reasons
one of it is the language

no the reason why you believe in your god is because

1 you grew up with muslim parents

2. you meet somebody who indoctrinate you into islam.


Nobody was born with an innate nbelief in god someody told them. and if this god exist why does he need fallible human beings to spread his message why does he need books like the quran filled with contradictions, parts removed and included, take centuries to be written and compiled to spread his message. you god who you claims to create the earth and the universe is not impressive bu he can't spread his message without the assistance of mortal humans? please! and you wonder why people have problems believe in your so called divine claims
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