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I've heard a couple of different explanations of this, and I'd like to know what the general consensus is. Jesus is supposed to come again to judge the living and the dead, right? And then all good souls will be brought into the kingdom of heaven, or heaven will come to earth.
But when someone dies today, people say, 'he's in a better place,' or 'she's with Jesus.'
So which is it? Are souls brought immediately to that better place, or are they in limbo until Jesus comes again for final judgment?
There is no limbo. When a person dies, they go immediately before Jesus. Since Jesus IS the door to the Father (and heaven), unless you are saved you cannot go into heaven. You must go to hell. There is in some cases an anterior room to heaven where some meet Jesus. It is a dark place and that is where this action takes place for which direction you go, but you don't stay there it is just and in/out type of thing.
Those who go into hell, some get dragged, some pushed, some fall into a casym and get attached by demons at the bottom. Some slide down a hot slide, getting there skin burned all the way down.
From there the demons bring you to several places of their choosing. Whatever tourture they prefer for you based on your life.
When you go to heaven, it is bright and light, and lots of nice music. It looks like earth, in that there is grass and trees, not the walking on clouds like you see in some illustrations. In heaven all the angels I saw looked just like humans except you knew they were angels. There are lots of people in heaven and everyone is happy and joyful. People don't talk as much as you'd think. Many of the word that we use cannot describe heaven or the feeling you have so you just have to smile. For example you can't say "This is heaven" because that is just stating the obvious, or even "This tastes great" or "this is pretty", because these words fail to describe what is experienced in heaven.
Since heaven is where Jesus IS at the present, that is why people say "he's with Jesus" when refering to heaven.
I believe that this is the main reason why most Christians do not want to be cremated.
They believe that once you loose the ashes (by accident or other) there is nothing to resurrect.
we were made from water and mud, we can be reconstituded, how ever,don''t we get new bodies?...
but if you are interested in scientific evidence etc etc...let me recommend the Quran,,,lots of scientific evidence in it...that only now science has unveil...awesome..
I've read the Quran. I find it very similar to and about as useful as the bible. Neither of them is big on science.
I've read the Quran. I find it very similar to and about as useful as the bible. Neither of them is big on science.
Sigh...thats not what some scientists said after reading the Quran and reverting to Islam..Granted there are some who don't but then God ultimately decides who gets to see the light and who don't..
There is no limbo. When a person dies, they go immediately before Jesus. Since Jesus IS the door to the Father (and heaven), unless you are saved you cannot go into heaven. You must go to hell.
Those who go into hell, some get dragged, some pushed, some fall into a casym and get attached by demons at the bottom. Some slide down a hot slide, getting there skin burned all the way down.
What i don't get it is....The one who strays, who tempts, who misleads believers - you know..the big S... he gets a kingdom all of his own? albeit its Hell..but still...? Thats not fair....
I think what i believe in is more 'fair' and balanced That the big S.. and all the lil demons..they will also be dragged and thrown into hell as are the sinners...there are about 7 levels of hell (if im not wrong) The ones taking charge and dishing out the punishments are His angels...not the kindly sort,,,thats reserved for heaven..no.the ones in hell will be big and able to withstand heat and will show no mercy for they are only carrying out their duties..
Sigh...thats not what some scientists said after reading the Quran and reverting to Islam..Granted there are some who don't but then God ultimately decides who gets to see the light and who don't..
Uh huh. That's why the Quran is recited as a solid scientific resource all the time. It's just chock-full of science-y goodness.
What i don't get it is....The one who strays, who tempts, who misleads believers - you know..the big S... he gets a kingdom all of his own? albeit its Hell..but still...? Thats not fair....
I think what i believe in is more 'fair' and balanced That the big S.. and all the lil demons..they will also be dragged and thrown into hell as are the sinners...there are about 7 levels of hell (if im not wrong) The ones taking charge and dishing out the punishments are His angels...not the kindly sort,,,thats reserved for heaven..no.the ones in hell will be big and able to withstand heat and will show no mercy for they are only carrying out their duties..
I don't know about 7 layers of hell. There is some pits there which have human souls chained above. But it's pretty much one level.
If you want me to believe that blatant fairy tale, you'll have to offer some sort of definitive scientific evidence to back up your ludicrous claims. Until then, when I die I'll just rot and be dead. There is nothing afterwards, and I'm fine with that. I do rather like the idea of reincarnation though. If I had to choose, that would certainly be the most fun.
Oh I believe, and it's not a fairy tale. If I'm wrong, I have nothing to lose. If I'm right, I have everything to gain.
Heard that fallacious argument a brazillion times, too. Why don't you Google "Pascal's Wager" just for giggles?
Guess there's no way of turning you to the path of God's (not necessarily christianiy) huh?
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I believe that this is the main reason why most Christians do not want to be cremated. 
That the big S.. and all the lil demons..they will also be dragged and thrown into hell as are the sinners...there are about 7 levels of hell (if im not wrong) The ones taking charge and dishing out the punishments are His angels...not the kindly sort,,,thats reserved for heaven..no.the ones in hell will be big and able to withstand heat and will show no mercy for they are only carrying out their duties.. 
