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And the constitution changed to make things more fair to Natives, blacks and women. That is part of the reason the 14th was written, so that ALL citizens were afforded equal protections of the laws, and so that states couldn't arbitrarily decide that citizen 1 shouldn't have access to those protections, but citizen 2 should.
Using your logic, we should allow 5 year olds to drive cars, anyone can fish or hunt at any time in any place regardless of age. A 9 year old should be able to buy beer. There should be no building codes, or no regulatory laws at all.
Using your logic, we should allow 5 year olds to drive cars, anyone can fish or hunt at any time in any place regardless of age. A 9 year old should be able to buy beer. There should be no building codes, or no regulatory laws at all.
And using your logic we should still ban interracial marriage since it doesn't infringe on anyone's rights. All races have the same right to marry someone of the same race. Equal for everyone.
Using your logic, we should allow 5 year olds to drive cars, anyone can fish or hunt at any time in any place regardless of age. A 9 year old should be able to buy beer. There should be no building codes, or no regulatory laws at all.
There is a compelling state interest in denying 5 YO drivers licenses. There is compelling state interest in denying hunting and fishing privileges every where and any where. There is compelling state interest in denying 9YO the ability to drink alcohol. There is compelling state interest in building codes and and regulatory laws.
There is no compelling state interest in banning same sex couples from the protections of marriage.
And the constitution changed to make things more fair to Natives, blacks and women. That is part of the reason the 14th was written, so that ALL citizens were afforded equal protections of the laws, and so that states couldn't arbitrarily decide that citizen 1 shouldn't have access to those protections, but citizen 2 should.
Unless the SCOTUS determines (like Justice crews have always done) you are not a "person".
They did that to the Blacks...they did that to the Natives...they currently do that to those at the stage of their existence that they are in the womb.
It's simple...just declare some group "nonpersons" (in contradiction to all scientific evidence), and you can do anything you like to them...even kill them at will.
50,000,000 innocents executed later...and we STILL have people that point to the Constitution and the SCOTUS for determinations of "fairness"...what a joke!
And we argue about the "fairness" of letting same gender to get married or not...talk about a lack of priorities.
It took all those many scores of years to get most of those "wrongs" to the Blacks and Natives straightened out...and few would ever now say it wasn't "wrong". Hopefully it will not take as long to see the "wrongness" of executing people in the womb.
No matter...it is still indicative of how you can't look at government "laws" and "legislators" for "fairness".
Using your logic, we should allow 5 year olds to drive cars, anyone can fish or hunt at any time in any place regardless of age. A 9 year old should be able to buy beer. There should be no building codes, or no regulatory laws at all.
And ... using your logic, gays should be put to death, as well as witches, non-virgin brides, rebellious kids, non-Christians, and anyone who picks up a stick on the Sabbath.
Eating shellfish should be illegal - as well as wearing blended fabrics, planting two crops in the same field, men cutting off the hair on the sides of their heads, wearing clothes of the opposite gender, eating any number of unclean animals, touching dead pigs, and consulting a psychic (sorry, Madame Cleo!).
Because the same place where you get your anti-gay nonsense is the same place where all of these other laws exist - so why aren't we following them ALL? And why aren't we following them to the letter? It's not enough to simply point at gays and call them immoral ... no, no, no, you're supposed to pick up a stone and KILL them!
So why haven't you?
Ooooh, right, you decided based on some arbitrary rubrix to only obey some of the OT laws, and even then, only pieces and parts of each individual law. Right ... you decided. Why? Probably because you realize that murdering gays will land you in jail for the rest of your life, and you MIGHT even see killing people in general as immoral.
You decided.
Well ... in the secular world, we get to decide, too. We get to determine whether it is safe for a 5 year-old to drive a car or if people can wander around anywhere with loaded firearms in order to hunt. We get to decide if a 9 year-old is responsible enough to buy beer.
There's that word again - decide. There is no "Slippery Slope" here. Just because we allow one thing doesn't mean we HAVE to allow anything else.
50,000,000 innocents executed later...and we STILL have people that point to the Constitution and the SCOTUS for determinations of "fairness"...what a joke!
Because overpopulating ourselves to extinction is a much better alternative? We have a third of the world's population still living in the Stone Age and population is increasing almost exponentially. Just how much longer do you think we can keep this up before it all collapses under the weight of our numbers?
Sooner or later - probably sooner - those 50,000,000 deaths (most of which are just cell clumps and not actual sentient beings) will seem insignificant to the death toll of the next pandemic, one that will make the Black Death look like a sniffle. Nature has a way of checking overpopulation if we don't do it ourselves, and nature will push the reset button on humanity.
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And we argue about the "fairness" of letting same gender to get married or not...talk about a lack of priorities.
Well, I guess we could tell the forum admins to delete all threads and thread categories that do not deal with abortion - since apparently we're only allowed to confront one issue at a time.
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It took all those many scores of years to get most of those "wrongs" to the Blacks and Natives straightened out...and few would ever now say it wasn't "wrong". Hopefully it will not take as long to see the "wrongness" of executing people in the womb.
First of all, you're going to end up getting your posts deleted if you hijack this thread for an abortion debate. Secondly, imagine what it would be like if 50,000,000 more people were here in America. That's akin to having 10 more New York Cities spring up.
Secondly, I'm not insensitive to the issue, but I'm also a pragmatist. Unwanted children are the wellspring of crime in this country. In addition, as you very well know, I'm sure - barring access to legal abortion only means back alley abortions will be commonplace, more teen girls will be thrown out of their homes for getting pregnant too early, more teen girls will be dropping out of high school, more newborns will end up in garbage dumpsters, etc. etc.
You might think that banning abortion will lead to some grand utopia for children ... but no. It will only cause a plethora of other problems, many of which can't even be foreseen at this place in history. I can't help but think about 50,000,000 more Americans when almost half of the population we have now is on welfare of some kind. Our economic model can no longer support a large population, there aren't enough jobs, not enough resources. Considering almost 70% of all jobs created in the past 10 years have been low-wage? We'd simply be pushing America's habitability quotient.
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No matter...it is still indicative of how you can't look at government "laws" and "legislators" for "fairness".
Honestly, I just don't see the relevance abortion has to gay marriage. Plus, I'm really not sure what you're advocating. Anarchy? A "Mad Max" kind of world? No laws, no government, just roving gangs and paranoid conclaves in a "might makes right" society?
You're being inconsistent. You are ok with government regulating some things, but not others.
I am ok with the government regulating when they have a compelling state interest to do so. Children driving or drinking can cause harm to others on the road, or the child. Building codes protect those who live in the buildings. Hunting and fishing protects other humans in the area, as well as managing the animal population.
What is the compelling state interest in denying SSM?
I have answered your questions please be man enough to answer mine for once.
What is the compelling state interest in denying SSM?
I guess some people think legitimizing gay marriage will encourage more people to become gay, which they see as undesirable.
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