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Old 01-13-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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One should consider if one's thinking, one's thought patterns, are leading to unhealthy results

Does a person's thought process cause such inner unhappiness, fear of a devil which is ready to take an punish them for all eternity, or a wildly egotistical god that might torment them as well, and somehow absolves a person of all personal responsibility, then I would say we are looking at delusion thinking manifested in clinical depression perhaps.

I have encountered so many Christians who are so unhappy in life, and will not lift a finger to help themselves because they believe that if they were meant to be anything other than miserable, then god would have made it so. And they waste their entire lives with the thought that the afterworld will be better.
And I have observed so many who have somatic problems, and again, no one to facilitate or advocate for them. Because religion preys upon them, and a church leader will make more money off of a depressed and weak-minded individual than a strong and independent one.
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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One should consider if one's thinking, one's thought patterns, are leading to unhealthy results

Does a person's thought process cause such inner unhappiness, fear of a devil which is ready to take an punish them for all eternity, or a wildly egotistical god that might torment them as well, and somehow absolves a person of all personal responsibility, then I would say we are looking at delusion thinking manifested in clinical depression perhaps.

I have encountered so many Christians who are so unhappy in life, and will not lift a finger to help themselves because they believe that if they were meant to be anything other than miserable, then god would have made it so. And they waste their entire lives with the thought that the afterworld will be better.
And I have observed so many who have somatic problems, and again, no one to facilitate or advocate for them. Because religion preys upon them, and a church leader will make more money off of a depressed and weak-minded individual than a strong and independent one.
What % of Christians would you say fit your scenario?
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Old 01-17-2014, 07:40 PM
 
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I find it amazing how a doctrine can take the practice of murder for terrorism and make people deem it holy. Here you have the head of the religion teach that we all should respect the laws of this book, is condemned to die by this book, is ruthlessly murdered in the most horrible of ways, and the doctrine that had him condemned there is deemed all wise and the word of God and the model of morality. That is astonishing.
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Old 01-17-2014, 07:59 PM
 
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There are two things that stand out and come to mind where Buddha stands directly against Christianity. One, is Buddha teaches his disciples to never use miracles to gain converts, but to instead use reason, because using miracles will make people blindly follow you. The second thing is the Buddha teaches that the most important thing in life is to have the right doctrine, and to always question doctrines. Don't believe in things just because it is written in some "holy book". Be suspicious. Jesus and most of his followers never question the Bible, or Islam, or anything else. They never question the morality of Moses because he is the man of miracles, and the "authority" on God without question. When they need to question! They blindly follow, and they teach others to blindly follow the man of miracles and his doctrine, or else, which is going against the teachings of the Buddha.
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:01 PM
 
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No perishing is unhealthy which was where I was going before I found my religion
I now have an anchor many dont
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Old 01-18-2014, 06:23 AM
 
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perishing is unhealthy which was where I was going before I found my religion
I now have an anchor many dont
Who told you that you were perishing? How do you know they were telling you the truth?

How do you know that you haven't simply been provided a backstory to explain the uneasiness and insecurity you already had? How do you know that this wasn't simply a standard-issue psychological byproduct of how you were raised and socialized?

How do you know that your vulnerability hasn't simply been manipulated to control you?
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Old 01-18-2014, 07:00 AM
 
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What % of Christians would you say fit your scenario?
I cannot give current statistics, because I do not associate with large population groups of Christians. What I see are the ones who show up on our service, who are self proclaimed Christians suffering from mental of physical (and in many cases, somatic) illness. I also have my experiences growing up in a fundy church, where maladaptive thinking and behavior was at the core of most individual's daily banal existence.

I can say that yes, it happens. I have given specifics on other posts here as well.

I have met zero well adjusted, mentally healthy evangelical or fundamentalist Christians but a few well adjusted healthy liberal Christians (Episcopalians, Unity members etc)....
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Old 01-18-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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Now what happens if one were to meet a fundamentalist christian who enjoys life and not depressed? Does that ruin the overall outlook of such christians or are they the exception?
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Old 01-18-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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Who told you that you were perishing? How do you know they were telling you the truth?

How do you know that you haven't simply been provided a backstory to explain the uneasiness and insecurity you already had? How do you know that this wasn't simply a standard-issue psychological byproduct of how you were raised and socialized?

How do you know that your vulnerability hasn't simply been manipulated to control you?
truth is verified by demonstration.
what you choose to belief if none of my concern.
when david slew goliath posters like you said he got lucky.
LOL
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Old 01-18-2014, 11:58 AM
 
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truth is verified by demonstration.
what you choose to belief if none of my concern.
when david slew goliath posters like you said he got lucky.
LOL
Those were serious questions. And those weren't serious responses.

That's fine; you have the right to believe whatever you want, as do I.
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