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What makes something supernatural is not that we don't currently have information about it, but that it is outside of nature. Nature encompasses this universe and any others that exist, whether the other universes have different laws or not.
Your point has zero to do with god(s). Except that you are looking for a gap in which to find god(s) hiding, I suspect.
Incorrect, our nature does not encompass "any others", it ONLY pertains to our universe. You nor I know what is beyond our universe, all we know is that from scientific evidence the universe has grown from some origin. Certainly if other universes exist, they will contain their own "nature", but there is no way to know anything about it. All I know is that instead of a void, there is an entire framework which sustains matter and conscious life. This framework, the universe, came from somewhere and I label that origin as god. That's my premise, very simple and straightforward and completely consistent with all observable evidence
Incorrect, our nature does not encompass "any others", it ONLY pertains to our universe. You nor I know what is beyond our universe, all we know is that from scientific evidence the universe has grown from some origin. Certainly if other universes exist, they will contain their own "nature", but there is no way to know anything about it. All I know is that instead of a void, there is an entire framework which sustains matter and conscious life. This framework, the universe, came from somewhere and I label that origin as god. That's my premise, very simple and straightforward and completely consistent with all observable evidence
Random labeling is simple and straightforward, but not very logical. As I stated before, I can label origin as the Loch Ness Monster, but that doesn't mean that Nessie truly exists. Seems we've gone full circle, without you depositing a reasoned argument.
So, in reality, who do you think is the 3rd party?
And what is their purpose in giving their message (the Bible)?
Well, I went over this in some detail in another post, so I don't want to write it all out again in this thread.
Suffice it to say that the purpose for giving the message was to a) form a cohesive tribe with its own culture in a quick, nearly instantaneous way and later, b) to create a messianic cult that, if truly believed, would be extremely hard to abandon.
Pretty simple stuff, really, when you clear away all the smoke and mirrors.
The laws beyond this universe are not known to anyone, but likely are different than what our existing space-time provides. That big bang originated in an enclosing structure, not bound by the inner laws we live with, ergo supernatural by your definition does exist.
Funny how that works
In order for God to have any relevance, he must operate inside THIS space-time continuum because that's where we exist. That would make him "supernatural" by our definition because what he is and what he can do would violate the laws of THIS universe. What happens anywhere else is irrelevant.
Incorrect, our nature does not encompass "any others", it ONLY pertains to our universe. You nor I know what is beyond our universe, all we know is that from scientific evidence the universe has grown from some origin. Certainly if other universes exist, they will contain their own "nature", but there is no way to know anything about it. All I know is that instead of a void, there is an entire framework which sustains matter and conscious life. This framework, the universe, came from somewhere and I label that origin as god. That's my premise, very simple and straightforward and completely consistent with all observable evidence
You are still conflating the unknown with the supernatural. They are not the same thing. I don't know a bunch of things about you -- how many children you have, your favorite food or color, etc. But that doesn't make you a manifestation of the supernatural. If there are other universes with different natural laws then they are still natural laws even if they seem unnatural from our perspective. It's nothing more than different variables in some equations.
But for now, other universes are but a theoretical construct, so yes, let's talk about the universe we know at least something about. What we don't know is whether it "came from somewhere". That seems like such a logical statement but it assumes a bunch of things, the biggest being that time always worked the same as it does now, and that it's not a closed loop. We are time-bound and don't know how else to think about existence other than it having a beginning, middle, and end, but what if it's a circle instead? The universe may have had a beginning, or may not have. And then you have to not assume that a "beginning" is not just an apparent beginning from our time-bound perspective.
Finally if the universe DID have a beginning, should we not simply call it "the beginning" rather than god? I mean, calling it generically god is at least better than calling it Jehovah or some other particular god. But how is it helpful to label it god? That is just begging the question and confirming your bias. It's like saying my car had a beginning and it is god. Well, I call it a factory. Sorry.
I'm sorry, I wasn't really speaking to you. Why the need to get lippy with me over a conversation you weren't even part of?
Oh yeah, the "I wrote something stupid now I'm going to act offended that someone explained how poor my post was" defense. I guess if you have no response it is worth a try, but don't expect it to be convincing.
Yet another person with a preconceived image of god projecting their bias onto the discussion. That is the true poor logic and thought process
And you are claiming that you don't have a preconceived notion of this god?
Now that is truly funny. You defend, parse things you accredit to this god as being his and give full credit to it for everything yet claim to have no "preconceived image"?
Anything that you do not understand or cannot explain is god?
Try again, you just failed.
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