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Old 02-26-2014, 10:52 PM
 
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[LEFT]Jesus would no more bake a cake for a same-sex wedding than He would bake a cake for a Roman centurion who wanted it to read “Caesar is God.”
Jesus would sit down with those who admit that they engage in same-sex sex, an act condemned by God in several places, and deal with them the same way he dealt with the Samaritan woman who was engaged in illicit sexual encounters (John 4:7-45, especially vv. 15-17) and the woman caught in the very act of adultery (John 8:1-11).
What did Jesus say to the adulterous woman?: “From now on sin no more” (8:11).
Neither the Bible nor Jesus can be called on to support homosexuals who want to marry.

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Old 02-26-2014, 11:51 PM
 
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Shirina says:
"I believe that a business person should be allowed the option to refuse to do specific things. I don't think anyone should be obligated to bake a KKK cake or to put swastikas on it."

hiker45 says:
"As usual. I agree with Shirina."

But this is an exchange we had on a similar thread: //www.city-data.com/forum/33656554-post259.html

What's the deal hiker45...which post is true? It can't be both.
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Old 02-26-2014, 11:54 PM
 
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[left]Jesus would no more bake a cake for a same-sex wedding than He would bake a cake for a Roman centurion who wanted it to read “Caesar is God.”
Jesus would sit down with those who admit that they engage in same-sex sex, an act condemned by God in several places, and deal with them the same way he dealt with the Samaritan woman who was engaged in illicit sexual encounters (John 4:7-45, especially vv. 15-17) and the woman caught in the very act of adultery (John 8:1-11).
What did Jesus say to the adulterous woman?: “From now on sin no more” (8:11).
Neither the Bible nor Jesus can be called on to support homosexuals who want to marry.

Exactly, Christians will eliminate homosexuals. Once they are cleansed they will no longer be homosexuals. Problem solved!
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:02 AM
 
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Some people refuse service - or to serve in the military because they BELIEVE all or any killing of another human being whether illegal murder or state sanctioned murder is morally repugnant. To some this is a religious issue ....to others it is an a secular issue based on what is right or wrong. If someone does not want to do something because it is against their beliefs...No one has the right to take away their RIGHTS to facilitate the so-called rights of another. We are turning into a world of fearful yes men....Where is it carved in stone that it is illegal to say NO?
You have the right to say no. You have the right in the name of your religious beliefs to not serve in the military, not take vaccines for your child, and not work in a bakery. You don't have the right to join the military and refuse to have a gay commander, you can get vaccines but you can't request no gay nurses give it to you, nor do you have the right to open a public bakery but only serve people who aren't gay. But you do have the right to refuse to do all of these if your beliefs get in the way.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:34 AM
 
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Would Jesus Bake a Cake For and Attend a Homosexual Wedding? - Conservative Byte

[LEFT]It is really sad when liberals try and go on about Jesus hanging out with sinners. We are all sinners. The point is Jesus never participated in sin or encouraged it.
Check it out:
Does anyone think that a Jewish baker should be forced to make a cake for a group that wants to celebrate the birthday of Adolf Hitler? Should a black photographer be forced to photograph a KKK-themed wedding?
Was it wrong for a supermarket in New Jersey to refuse to write the name of a couple’s 3-year-old son in frosting on a birthday cake? The child’s name is Adolf Hitler Campbell.
Of course, liberals want to attack Christians, so they’re calling on the Bible for help.
Liberals love the Bible except when they hate the Bible. Their favorite verse is Matthew 7:1: “Do not judge so that you will not be judged.” Their least favorite verse is Matthew 7:2: “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.”
Consistency in judgment is the biblical ideal. In John 7:24, Jesus said, “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” So what’s the right judgment on this issue?
Continue Reading on godfatherpolitics.com ...
Why do so many people have such a poor understanding of what 'protected class' means in anti-discrimination law? It's not rocket science.

Protected classes are characteristics of a person like:

Race
Color
Gender
Age
Disability
Religion
etc
and in some States, Sexual Orientation

Being a KKK member or a neo-Nazi is NOT a 'protected class'.

How many times does this have to be repeated every time this issue comes up?

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Old 02-27-2014, 12:44 AM
 
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[LEFT]Jesus would no more bake a cake for a same-sex wedding than He would bake a cake for a Roman centurion who wanted it to read “Caesar is God.”
Jesus would sit down with those who admit that they engage in same-sex sex, an act condemned by God in several places, and deal with them the same way he dealt with the Samaritan woman who was engaged in illicit sexual encounters (John 4:7-45, especially vv. 15-17) and the woman caught in the very act of adultery (John 8:1-11).
What did Jesus say to the adulterous woman?: “From now on sin no more” (8:11).
Neither the Bible nor Jesus can be called on to support homosexuals who want to marry.
I disagree.

I think Jesus would be easily able to discern the difference between a loving committed same-gender couple who wanted to commit their lives to each other, and heterosexual temple prostitutes engaging in ritual sex acts (both opposite and same-gender) to worship pagan fertility gods represented by idolatrous statues of birds and reptiles in ancient Canaanite or Corinthian temples.

I think Jesus would be easily able to discern the difference between a loving committed same-gender couple who wanted to commit their lives to each other, and heterosexual men who raped male strangers/prisoners of war etc to dominate and humiliate them by treating them like they would a woman.

I think Jesus would be easily able to discern the difference between a loving committed same-gender couple who wanted to commit their lives to each other, and slave traders who procured and sold sex slaves.


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Old 02-27-2014, 12:52 AM
 
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I disagree.

I think Jesus would be easily able to discern the difference between a loving committed same-gender couple who wanted to commit their lives to each other, and heterosexual temple prostitutes engaging in ritual sex acts (both opposite and same-gender) while worshipping pagan fertility gods represented by idols of birds and reptiles in ancient Canaanite or Corinthian temples.

I think Jesus would be easily able to discern the difference between a loving committed same-gender couple who wanted to commit their lives to each other, and heterosexual men who raped male strangers/prisoners of war etc to dominate and humiliate them.

I think Jesus would be easily able to discern the difference between a loving committed same-gender couple who wanted to commit their lives to each other, and slave owners who procured and sold sex slaves.

Christianity is all about an objective morality, as in God .

Not moochy moochy everybody love love love. Love is an emotion -relative, and only as good as its source as in foundation . Parents can't even begin to raise a family without an objective good.

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Old 02-27-2014, 12:55 AM
 
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He's not "incapable" of taking pictures. He just doesn't wanna. Because he's a bigot.

Plain and simple.

End of story.

Now, maybe if we didn't have all of these ridiculous and primitive religious beliefs floating around, we wouldn't have so many excuses to be rude and insensitive to each other - and far fewer reasons to fight.
Humanity has been there and done that. There is only one social/political system where atheism rules with an iron fist and religion is systematically eradicated for the very reasons that you cite. That system was Marxist Communism and that system racked up a bigger body count than all the religious bigotry in human history. The only atheists-ruled states in human history were the very very good at massacring their own people, so much so that Hitler gets bumped down to third place in the list of history's greatest mass-murderers. Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin beat him out by a sizable margin. And no socio-political system in human history has inspired more fear and misery in its citizens than atheist-ruled Marxism.

The point is not that atheists are all bad and religionists are all good. The point is that human beings will always find an excuse to be horrible to one another. The track record of Marxism tends to strongly suggest that religion actually decreases such tendencies. Unfortunately, we only have that one actual historical model of an atheistic state to go on ... but it truly is remarkable how inhumane people got when all religion-based restraint was stripped away. It is also remarkable how consistent this was: Almost without exception, every Marxist state saw mass-murder on a colossal scale.

But keep blaming religion for stuff if it makes you feel better. I prefer to blame human nature.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:00 AM
 
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Christianity is all about an objective morality ....as in God .

Not moochy moochy everybody love love love. Love is an emotion -relative, and only as good as its source as in foundation.
Wait.... are you saying you think that Christianity has nothing to do with the core teachings of Jesus Christ about love?


John 13:34-35
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
1 John 4:16-21
God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. We love, because He first loved us.

If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also

Mark 12:28-31
"The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
Romans 13:8-10
Let, no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet", and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:12 AM
 
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Wait.... are you saying you think that Christianity has nothing to do with the core teachings of Jesus Christ about love?


John 13:34-35
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
1 John 4:16-21
God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. We love, because He first loved us.

If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also

Mark 12:28-31
"The second is this, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
Romans 13:8-10
Let, no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet", and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

mm-hmm, objectively where can reasoning suggest the affection for another also challenges well being. Objective morality is about well being and its nothing new, very basic school stuff .

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