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Old 02-23-2014, 07:08 PM
 
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Suppose we are having a big party to celebrate our English ancestors landing at Jamestown VA in 1607. To be inclusive, we want to hire a professional Native American photographer to document our re-enactment of the landing.

Should the Native American photographer be allowed to refuse to take the pictures we want or is he discriminating against us unfairly?
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Old 02-23-2014, 07:17 PM
 
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Nice try.
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Old 02-23-2014, 07:20 PM
 
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"Allowed?' He already is allowed. He is under no legal obligation to accept any particular assignment.
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Old 02-23-2014, 07:23 PM
 
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"Allowed?' He already is allowed. He is under no legal obligation to accept any particular assignment.
Would it be OK for a photographer to refuse to take pictures at a gay wedding because his religion teaches that homosexuals should not get married?
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Old 02-23-2014, 07:39 PM
 
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An artist can't be forced to produce the creative inspiration when not inspired. Case closed. Next we'll have artists sued for refusing to do what is in-inspiring portraits, of which can only be imagined in this world of gimmee gimee I want what I want, and don't care about effect on anyone but myself period. An interior decorator cannot be forced to work out a scheme in an area away from promotion of expertise. If the inspiration is not there, the question is why in the world would it be requested forced? or...is something else being forced into society which has nothing to do with an album of pictures. Using time and money in the system in order to create havoc for nothing. What if a lesbian doesn't want to take pics at a hetro marriage...so what? what if a buddha guy doesn't want to to take pics at a baptism...so what? take everybody to court?

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Old 02-23-2014, 07:57 PM
 
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Would it be OK for a photographer to refuse to take pictures at a gay wedding because his religion teaches that homosexuals should not get married?
As opposed to what? Forcing him at gunpoint?
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:06 PM
 
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As opposed to what? Forcing him at gunpoint?
Taking him to court, as was done in New Mexico:

N.M. Supreme Court: Photographers Can't Refuse Gay Weddings | Gleanings | ChristianityToday.com

The article says:

In a closely watched case on gay rights, religious freedom, artistic freedom, the speech rights of businesses, and a host of other legal hot button issues, the New Mexico Supreme Court today ruled that wedding photographers could not refuse to shoot gay ceremonies.

"When Elane Photography refused to photograph a same-sex commitment ceremony, it violated the [New Mexico Human Rights Act, or NMHRA] in the same way as if it had refused to photograph a wedding between people of different races," the court said in a unanimous verdict.

Do you think this ruling was correct?
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:08 PM
 
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What if a lesbian doesn't want to take pics at a hetro marriage...so what? what if a buddha guy doesn't want to to take pics at a baptism...so what? take everybody to court?
Yes, take them to court.

See my post #7.

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Old 02-23-2014, 08:14 PM
 
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Suppose we are having a big party to celebrate our English ancestors landing at Jamestown VA in 1607. To be inclusive, we want to hire a professional Native American photographer to document our re-enactment of the landing.

Should the Native American photographer be allowed to refuse to take the pictures we want or is he discriminating against us unfairly?
I don't think the issue is whether or not the photographer can be forced into taking pictures. No doubt that the English ancestors and the gay wedding couple have already found some one else to take the photos.

The point of the court case is whether or not a business - including freelancers - can legally deny sales and services to gay people. The point is trying to get "sexual orientation" to be seen as a protected status, same as race, ethnicity, religion, disability, gender, and age. That way no one, including this photographer and all of the idiots in Arizona, can discriminate based on someone's sexual orientation.

Thus you're missing the entire scope of this trial and what it is trying to prove. It has nothing to do with forcing a religious bigot to take pictures of a gay wedding. It has everything to do with gays trying to get a day in court where they can fight against legalized discrimination against their demographic group.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:23 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with forcing a religious bigot to take pictures of a gay wedding.
Forcing a photographer to take pictures at a gay wedding is the issue. See my post #7.
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