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Old 04-09-2010, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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As an agnostic, I asked myself that question this morning while I was out walking my dog, and I had to admit I was stumped. My first answer to myself was that I'd be convinced by a large-scale, old-fashioned, Biblical-style miracle: suspension of the law of gravity, the parting of the Red Sea, the raising of people who are dead beyond a doubt (i.e., beginning to decay), or an unequivocal message that everyone on the planet could hear in a language they could understand, and that they could later agree upon (at least as much as different human beings can agree on anything). But then I wondered, could we be sure that we weren't being fooled by some vastly technologically superior alien race that had decided to come to earth and was pretending to be God, for purposes unknown? As Arthur C. Clarke noted, any sufficiently advanced alien technology is indistinguishable from magic. I'd start asking lots of questions, such as, "Why have you been so ambiguous about your existence until now? And why have you appeared now? Why did you create a physical world, as opposed to creating souls and plunking us directly into the afterlife?" I suppose at some point it would either add up for me, or it wouldn't. If it did add up, I might consider the alien-hoax theory to be a remote possibliity, just as I now consider it to be a remote possibility that we're part of some Matrix-like virtual reality, or that there is an Abrahamic God.

How about others? What would convince you?
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Old 04-09-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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Yes, I see that I misspelled "atheists" as "athesist" in my thread title, but apparently I can't change it. I'm nowhere near omnipotent.
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Old 04-09-2010, 05:10 PM
 
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Empirical evidence of the existence of the being of god, not the product (creation).
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Old 04-09-2010, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Empirical evidence of the existence of the being of god, not the product (creation).
But what would constitute empirical evidence?
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Old 04-09-2010, 05:28 PM
 
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How could you ever distinguish between a society advanced beyond ours being the cause of "miracles" and God?I don't think it is possible.
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Old 04-09-2010, 05:36 PM
 
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For starter, since you pray everyday, make a wish of your own, then pray and see if God can make it happen. That will be a proof.
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Old 04-09-2010, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Space Coast
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For starter, since you pray everyday, make a wish of your own, then pray and see if God can make it happen. That will be a proof.
I know a lot of people holding lottery tickets for tonight that are doing just that. I wonder how many winners there will be, if any......
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:43 PM
 
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I know a lot of people holding lottery tickets for tonight that are doing just that. I wonder how many winners there will be, if any......
Haha ... that's a really good example -- I'm going to use it in the future.

I guess, the original poster was thinking atheists must be really close minded, God is really easy prove -- just what it takes to prove God to an atheist?

That's right, if you are religious, and you pray all the time. Then, pray to your God and see if you can win a lottery -- if you can do that, you're going to convert all the atheists in the world.
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Old 04-09-2010, 07:56 PM
 
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I suspect a few Jerichos delivered to Iran will turn many an atheist and agnostic towards YHVH and Yeshuah will be revealed to them and everyone. Israel may use new Jericho III ballistic missiles against Iran (http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/03/17/israel-may-use-ballistic-missiles-against-iran/ - broken link)
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I suspect a few Jerichos delivered to Iran will turn many an atheist and agnostic towards YHVH and Yeshuah will be revealed to them and everyone. Israel may use new Jericho III ballistic missiles against Iran (http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/03/17/israel-may-use-ballistic-missiles-against-iran/ - broken link)
Not likely.
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