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If we do not stop this looking back with recriminations to more and more barabric pasts situation . . . there can be no progress. The past is the past and it is only the present and future that matter. Christianity poses no great threat to civilization or its institutions . . . radical Islam DOES! It is tiresome to see the same old harboring of recriminations about the past as if that is what we face now and in the future. That is the intractable problem of the middle east . . . the constant recriminations about the past being projected into current and future actions. It has to stop. It will not stop as long as the impetus is irrational and anachronistic barbaric beliefs about the need for a theocracy.
All right, I'll stipulate to at least that much. I was not disputing that ISIS (or any kind of fundimentalist fanaticism) is a threat, because such things absolutely are. What I was attempting to say is that it's intellectually dishonest to claim that the Christian religion is morally unassailable, when there is ample historical evidence to the contrary.
Christianity has committed of its own share of tragedies and atrocities, and pretending that the past didn't happen will not change it, hide it, or make it go away.
It's important to ackowledge the darkness of our own lives before we start trying to take the moral high ground against someone else.
If we do not stop this looking back with recriminations to more and more barabric pasts situation . . . there can be no progress. The past is the past and it is only the present and future that matter. Christianity poses no great threat to civilization or its institutions . . . radical Islam DOES! It is tiresome to see the same old harboring of recriminations about the past as if that is what we face now and in the future. That is the intractable problem of the middle east . . . the constant recriminations about the past being projected into current and future actions. It has to stop. It will not stop as long as the impetus is irrational and anachronistic barbaric beliefs about the need for a theocracy.
That's BS, there are Christian militias like Army of God in Africa chopping people up on the daily, the drug cartels chopping off heads in Mexico are Christian and one specific cartel the Knights Templars are religious themed. You've got these Chinese Christians called the Quannengshen doing all types of wildness. You need to get involved with what is going on in the world. All of the white nationalists racist organizations in America are Christian based groups. Every religion got militias, I remember seeing a photo one time in Iraq of a US soldier proudly displaying a scripture of a Christian cross on his tank. He's not a Christian fighter? Crusades never ended, one of my Christian friends have even admitted so. Yet people online cant.
In the US Christian fundamentalists hide behind a well oiled lobbying machine to encourage war, clapping and cheering over little kids getting bombed by drones. They no longer have to ACTIVELY murder people anymore as they were doing 100+ years ago driving Native Americans off land for being 'heathens'. They have a lobby and a national army to go overseas. What you really mean to say is that, Christians don't pose a threat to WESTERN CIVILIZATION. The US has a history of ignoring any armed resistance groups in the world who have no power or ability to challenge their status quo of dominance. If ISIS were pro-American they'd be left alone just like the pro-American Shia death squads who ran wild through Iraq for 10 years got left alone. They go after some people and not others based on their ties (lack-there-of) to America's political agenda. It's different rules for different folks.
The problem is that America is mad because they thought it'd be easy to crush any resistance in the Middle East. It was all fun and games when the Christian fundamentalist President George Bush said "you're either with us or against us" and started dropping bombs on Iraq and called it "Shock And Awe" while the media broadcasted it like it was a video game. Then he flew on an air carrier and bragged "mission accomplished". It was all funny then, but when they couldn't put down the resistances popping up all over now they don't want war anymore. It's hilarious, if you wanted war so bad then, then don't try to sneak out now. You are getting exactly what you wanted, now deal with it. It is not my job as a Muslim to save you from enemies you create, especially given the fact the US itself has killed Muslims in various countries and their foreign policy has shown themselves to not really give a **** about Muslims. Now they want "help" from us to fight ISIS while they gave Israel billions a month ago, this is like some kind of bad joke. They're not our friends, they might buy oil from us but they're not our friends. It's only when we can help them fight some regime they dislike (i.e. Soviets in Afghanistan, Gaddafi in Libya) that they come running up to us to help because of our rep for guerilla warfare. But if it's a puppet government or pro-regime they like (i.e. Maliki killing Sunnis for 10 years, Israel killing Palestinians for 50 years) they'll leave our women and children to rot.
But if it's a puppet government or pro-regime they like (i.e. Maliki killing Sunnis for 10 years, Israel killing Palestinians for 50 years) they'll leave our women and children to rot.
*chuckle*
You'd rather abuse your own women with those primitive belief systems.
If we do not stop this looking back with recriminations to more and more barabric pasts situation . . . there can be no progress. The past is the past and it is only the present and future that matter. Christianity poses no great threat to civilization or its institutions . . . radical Islam DOES! It is tiresome to see the same old harboring of recriminations about the past as if that is what we face now and in the future. That is the intractable problem of the middle east . . . the constant recriminations about the past being projected into current and future actions. It has to stop. It will not stop as long as the impetus is irrational and anachronistic barbaric beliefs about the need for a theocracy.
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Originally Posted by SouthsideTillIDie
But if it's a puppet government or pro-regime they like (i.e. Maliki killing Sunnis for 10 years, Israel killing Palestinians for 50 years) they'll leave our women and children to rot.
Palestinians keep pushing the chair in the Lion's face and when it roars and attacks . . . they pretend to be victims.
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Originally Posted by Shirina
*chuckle*
You'd rather abuse your own women with those primitive belief systems.
This is the most insidious feature of this barbaric and anachronistic throw-back religion. They actually claim it is out of love and respect for women that they treat them so!! It boggles the mind.
Palestinians keep pushing the chair in the Lion's face and when it roars and attacks . . . they pretend to be victims.
The Palestinians rejected a two-state system back in 1948 ... I'm sorry to say but the Arab world has never been one for compromises or concessions. One has to remember that there was never a Palestinian state. Creating Israel was not like going to, say, Holland and carving up half of it and handing it over to ISIS.
But I'm certain we'll get a lecture on every last little thing the West did wrong.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
This is the most insidious feature of this barbaric and anachronistic throw-back religion. They actually claim it is out of love and respect for women that they treat them so!! It boggles the mind.
Yeah, what a load of rubbish, the way they treat their women in some areas.
It's done out of laziness. Arab men simply don't want to be responsible for their own self-discipline when they see a pretty woman. They don't want to see women they'd like to screw knowing they can't, so best to cover them up head-to-toe so they don't have to wish and want and fantasize.
Though it should be pointed out that the Qu'ran never instructs Muslim women to cover up like that. In fact, the Qu'ran is actually more liberal toward women's dress codes than Christianity is.
The problem, as it always is -- as it ALWAYS is -- is how religion and holy books can be twisted and butchered to make sure it conforms to the will of the dominant power. That way, no matter how barbaric or oppressive the regime is, no one will DARE oppose it because that would be the same thing as opposing the will of Allah.
It's hard for a muslim group to condemn another for following the orders written into the religion.
Don't spread nonsense. Islam isn't what those fools are doing. true islam is against killing of innocent humans. Did you know what the prophets rules of war are?
Before engaging in battle, the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) instructed his soldiers:
1. “Do not kill any child, any woman, or any elder or sick person.” (Sunan Abu Dawud)
2. “Do not practice treachery or mutilation.(Al-Muwatta)
3. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees.(Al-Muwatta)
4. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food.” (Al-Muwatta)
5. “If one fights his brother, [he must] avoid striking the face, for God created him in the image of Adam.” (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
6. “Do not kill the monks in monasteries, and do not kill those sitting in places of worship. (Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)
7. “Do not destroy the villages and towns, do not spoil the cultivated fields and gardens, and do not slaughter the cattle.” (Sahih Bukhari; Sunan Abu Dawud)
8. “Do not wish for an encounter with the enemy; pray to God to grant you security; but when you [are forced to] encounter them, exercise patience.” (Sahih Muslim)
9. “No one may punish with fire except God.” (Sunan Abu Dawud).
10. “Accustom yourselves to do good if people do good, and to not do wrong even if they commit evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)
Read the above and tell me how these terrorists are following the islamic way? Infact they do the opposite of what Islam says to do yet they still claim to be fighting for islam.
Unfortunately, fanatics of any and all religions regard the world through distorted prisms. And lost souls gravitate towards the fires of zealotry - expanding their numbers.
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