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There is indisputable proof of the very existence of reality so the proof of God's existence is a no-brainer. .
If there was indisputable proof, you would not be here in this forum arguing with people who are unpersuaded by your supposed proof.
The fact that your notions are being disputed establishes that they are not indisputable.
If I advertised all of my ideas as unassailable and indisputable, would you then embrace that dynamic and cease attempting to argue with me about anything? If not , why is it your notion that making such assertions is worth anything at all?
In case that actually does work, I hereby state that I never lie, I'm always right, and I know and understand everything.
There, I should not be hearing from you again, should I?
I recall a fatal hunting accident some years ago that was discussed with a number of people, including some of the forensic investigators. I happened to be part of that discussion.
Now in most hunting accidents, circumstances are such that something could have been avoided in the chain of events. As example, it is known bullets can ricochet for some ways across a lake, so, don't shoot across a lake. Always know what is behind your target in case you miss. Don't 'sound shoot'... meaning don't shoot towards a noise in the bush if you can't clearly see what is causing it. Any one of those situation are avoidable and NOT an accident.
This one case, however, WAS an accident. A hunter saw a moose, shot, and as he shot, the moose moved. There was nothing of danger behind the moose. The bullet, however, deflected at a 90 degree angle, and struck and killed another hunter over a mile away.
The person who shot had no idea what happened. It was only after the then missing hunter was found the next day that things started to come together, as the investigators checked the firearms of all in the area.
Forensics proved which gun it was, but mores so, found the deflection tree an angle.
That was a pure accident. Other then not pulling the trigger, there was nothing that could have been done differently.
A very sad case.
Yes, real accidents can happen.
See the bolded above. There are no accidents. Everything has a source.
Are you aware that you are not making any sense here?
My conclusion is that you threw your assertion out there because it supports your faith based beliefs, and you actually have no basis for the assertion other than it supports your faith based beliefs. What you have above is of course not proof of anything.
If you wish me to conclude anything else, you must provide a sensible response to my previous post.
Everything has a source, no? It is illogical to think, "The universe sprang into existence by itself".
Theist: God created the universe and God spontaneously sprang into existence (or always existed or whatever). Non-Theist: The universe spontaneously sprang into existence (or always existed or whatever).
I find it interesting that if one glued together a small plastic car, painted it and put in on a desk that no one would think it just glued itself together and painted itself. Yet we are asked to believe that a stupendously stupendous intricate universe was the work of an accident without any intelligence behind it all.
Solipsists unite!! We operate on the accepted notion that what we experience is reality and to pretend that we cannot even do that is to advance argumentum ad absurdum.
Maybe, but it does demonstrate the point that you have no proof for your assertions. An accepted notion is not "indisputable proof".
So, what is the source of your God? Was he just an accident?
This is always the response when an atheist is shown that a "cosmic accident" is illogical.
Nevertheless, to answer your question, the creator (ID) is always greater than the created. Therefore, it is conceivable that the creator has always existed, or exists outside of time as we know it.
This is always the response when an atheist is shown that a "cosmic accident" is illogical.
Nevertheless, to answer your question, the creator (ID) is always greater than the created. Therefore, it is conceivable that the creator has always existed, or exists outside of time as we know it.
That's special pleading, that the universe must have had a beginning, but your God does not. Simply because we don't know yet what started the Big Bang does not suggest an accident.
Everything has a source, no? It is illogical to think, "The universe sprang into existence by itself".
I see. So what you advertised as "proof" is actually. "There is stuff, therefore I think some god made the stuff."
Very much what I anticipated.
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