Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they type.
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Originally Posted by DauntlessDan
cupper3 one of the reasons that Christians "rant" against homosexuality is that this society is increasingly shoving it down their throats. It is "in your face" in todays "in-your-face" society. Not only homosexuality but abortion as well as the whole "separation of church and state" thing.
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What does "in your face" mean, exactly? Is that a quantitative amount? Is there a meter or other device that can accurately measure a unit of "in your face?" Is a unit of "in your face" roughly equivalent to a "crapton," do you think?
I don't know, you tell me. Because for some folks, especially for the fundie Christians who have created entire mountain ranges where once stood molehills, "in your face" essentially means "out of the closet."
Isn't that what you're -really- saying? "Christians rant against homosexuality because they've been reminded that gays exist!!!" Yeah, that really -does- seem to be the case.
What's extraordinarily funny (and not in a ha ha way) is you complaining about how the separation of church and state is also "in your face."
LOL! It's the law. That's like saying, "Dammit, I'm sick of those commie lawyers always pushing these laws against murder!" Maybe if fundies would actually respect the separation of church and state, you wouldn't hear about it so much. Wow, in the words of George Carlin, "How often the simple solution eludes us."
Guess what, buddy: It eluded you.
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Originally Posted by DauntlessDan
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Do you know anything about what the ACLU does? Are you aware of how many times the ACLU has actually -defended- religious freedom from those who would try to take it away? You need to do your research and -then- come back to this thread and, with a straight face, lambaste the ACLU.
Oh wait, I get it ... because the ACLU doesn't support whatever religion wants to do, be it right or wrong, legal or illegal, you hate those *ahem* Commie bastards.
What's interesting to note: Guess which group is the arch-nemesis of fascists? Why, communists, of course! Is there a pattern forming? Noooooo, nooo, of course not. I mean, it's not as though a fascist would whine about another group, gays for instance, for availing themselves of one of our fundamental freedoms like, say, freedom of speech. Gosh, what was I thinking?!
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Why should it matter to the American Communist Lawyers Union if a town wants to recognize an organization for serving its citizens?
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First of all, LOL @ "communist" lawyers. Has a post Cold War Red Scare bubbled up from the pit of shameful American history without my knowledge? Secondly, what about the ACLU makes them communists? I didn't realize the ACLU had its own economic doctrines. Please, educate the ignorant masses.
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Originally Posted by DauntlessDan
They (towns) do it all of the time. But when the organization is Christian...that's a different story.
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I bet you're happier than a clam now that you can jump up and down while pointing to this story and exclaiming, "See? See? I told you Christians are being persecuted!" (Never mind the fact that Christians just won a major Supreme Court decision.)
Now, is the ACLU most likely over-reaching in this particular case? Yeah, probably. There's nothing overtly unconstitutional about a local government merely offering words of praise to a religious organization - even if that organization -does- sound a bit predatory.
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Originally Posted by DauntlessDan
But to get back to your question, while same-sex marriage is a mockery of traditional man-woman marriage (the same way atheists claim that creation believers mock their "no God" evolution theory) adultery is wrong in that it is not taking your vows to be faithful before God (assuming such vows were taken before God, if not the point is moot) seriously and thus took your oath/his name in vain.
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What makes you think that everyone who gets married vows anything at all in the name of your god?
BUT ... here's where I digress somewhat simply because I want to point a few things out.
First of all, the website that Dauntless Dan so dauntlessly linked us to isn't any better than how Dan perceives the ACLU. But that's one of the pitfalls of religion. Die-hard believers are often incapable of seeing the offenses committed by their own side and only see the harm done -to- their side. I guess that's why you see so many Christians wandering around looking like this:
Secondly, alerting an atheist to a site like that reminds me of a quote: "Never hand someone a gun unless you know where they're going to point it."
Finally, the main point, is this site links to another story where Christians are whining over the fact that atheists were allowed to hand out literature at a school when Christians were allowed to hand out Bibles. This is one of my favorite quotes:
Furthermore, the materials repeatedly attack Christian beliefs and doctrines, including the life of Jesus Christ.
NooooooooooOO! Not that! Say it isn't so!
Essentially they don't like the fact that -some- of the atheist literature featured many of the same arguments we use on this very forum, namely pointing out the immorality of God in the Old Testament. Except atheists are supposed to talk about this immorality without mentioning immorality.
They only have one real legitimate point, quasi though it may be:
“… Then the atheists got involved, and they wanted to distribute material, not to promote atheism, but to denigrate Christianity and religion in general. They are not content with presenting their belief system, they have to tear down others belief systems.”
Hmm, that's a fair point, I suppose, though only in the most basic sense. When you're up against a belief system that, in every likelihood, has already been established in the lives of these students, you sometimes -have- to tear down the existing belief system in order for them to even consider your own belief system. Otherwise, you just end up being immediately dismissed because God is real because the Bible says so, and the Bible is true because God said it was.
Bottom line though is that, if Christians want the right to have their organizations commended by the government while they blast communist (LOL?) lawyers, then you have to grant your opposition the same right to be heard.
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