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Old 07-02-2014, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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How does same sex marriage or homosexuality harm society?
It's abnormal & offensive to nature.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:00 PM
 
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We know how many christians rant and rave against homosexuality in general and same sex marriage in particular.

They rant on forums, they rant from the pulpits, and they rant to their politicians.

Yet the focus on how destructive homosexuality and same sex marriage is makes one wonder why adultery does not have the same or a larger focus from christians and from the pulpit?

After all, what is more destructive to a traditional marriage? The deceit that one partner carries out? Or the fact that Eve and Mary next door have sex together in a loving stable relationship?

Maybe it's because surveys show that there is more cheating going on in the bible belt? Cheating site Ashley Madison has a higher percentage of members from the bible belt. What is it in the DNA of fundamentalist christians that causes that, and on the other hand, so object to homosexual marriage?
Both homosexual acts, as well as adultery are sinful. Neither is "better" or worse.

But didn't your parents ever tell you "two wrongs don't make a right" when you got reprimanded and you responded by saying what your sibling did wrong, too? We shouldn't just give up on marriage because people commit adultery.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:02 PM
 
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We know how many christians rant and rave against homosexuality in general and same sex marriage in particular.

They rant on forums, they rant from the pulpits, and they rant to their politicians.

Yet the focus on how destructive homosexuality and same sex marriage is makes one wonder why adultery does not have the same or a larger focus from christians and from the pulpit?

After all, what is more destructive to a traditional marriage? The deceit that one partner carries out? Or the fact that Eve and Mary next door have sex together in a loving stable relationship?

Maybe it's because surveys show that there is more cheating going on in the bible belt? Cheating site Ashley Madison has a higher percentage of members from the bible belt. What is it in the DNA of fundamentalist christians that causes that, and on the other hand, so object to homosexual marriage?

Both are equivocal, in God's Word. God views sin as sin. Between the two options, there is no Biblical-based delineation/differentiation.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Is it adultery when one of the partners cheats with a same sex partner? AKA wife with a woman, husband with a man?
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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We know how many christians rant and rave against homosexuality in general and same sex marriage in particular.

They rant on forums, they rant from the pulpits, and they rant to their politicians.

Yet the focus on how destructive homosexuality and same sex marriage is makes one wonder why adultery does not have the same or a larger focus from christians and from the pulpit?

After all, what is more destructive to a traditional marriage? The deceit that one partner carries out? Or the fact that Eve and Mary next door have sex together in a loving stable relationship?

Maybe it's because surveys show that there is more cheating going on in the bible belt? Cheating site Ashley Madison has a higher percentage of members from the bible belt. What is it in the DNA of fundamentalist christians that causes that, and on the other hand, so object to homosexual marriage?
I think the worse societal problem is not adultery or same sex marriage, it is divorce. Divorce occurs more often than adultery, but sometimes is the reason for a divorce. Economic and psychological problems arise more frequently in families where divorce takes place.

If you are asking whether adultery and same sex relations are sinful in God's eyes, I think they are. Where I part with other Christians is in their emphasis on some sins---usually ones they themselves are not involved in--while overlooking or forgiving others. If preachers spent time on sins by the percentage of people indulging in them, you might hear a lambasting of same sex liaisons about once a year. Adultery, gluttony, and GOSSIP would occupy the vast majority of their time.

The problem pseudo Christians have is opening church doors to some kinds of sinners, but not others. I'm a sinner and have no problem sitting in a church service with any other sinner---as long as they aren't packing heat!!
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:03 PM
 
Location: New Jersey, USA
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We shouldn't just give up on marriage because people commit adultery.
Hello Pastor Vizio.

I agree with the above statement whole-heartedly. The real question then becomes: what makes you think that same-sex marriage will make people give up on marriage? That's what I hear from the religious folks who oppose it...that it will destroy the sanctity of marriage, weaken the institution, and other claims that are similarly vague and unfounded. But if marriage continues on just fine even though adultery happens, why will it not be fine with same-sex marriages happening?

Spoiler Alert! The institution of marriage will be fine and continue on as normal once same-sex marriage is recognized everywhere in the U.S. And that day is coming...

Thanks.
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:42 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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It's abnormal & offensive to nature.
What makes it abnormal? Certainly there are examples of homosexual behaviors in the animal kingdom. What makes it offensive?

I have ZERO attraction to another male sexually, but if that other male has a same sex partner in a loving relationship, how does that affect society negatively.

It doesn't. It may offend you, probably because you can't, like me, imagine being with another male, but they being homosexual is not the downfall of society.

Those bible belt christians who commit adultery are far worse a negative impact.

Far worse. They betrayed their partner, and if children are involved, dishonored them.

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Old 07-02-2014, 06:43 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Both homosexual acts, as well as adultery are sinful. Neither is "better" or worse.

But didn't your parents ever tell you "two wrongs don't make a right" when you got reprimanded and you responded by saying what your sibling did wrong, too? We shouldn't just give up on marriage because people commit adultery.
Homosexuality is sinful only because some religions think it is, and as such, think their god define it so. Well, Zeus didn't, although it seems Yahweh did.

Homosexuality hurts no one. It doesn't hurt society.

Adultery harms both.
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:46 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Both are equivocal, in God's Word. God views sin as sin. Between the two options, there is no Biblical-based delineation/differentiation.
Which one of the ten commandments speaks to homosexuality?

I DO seem to recall something about coveting one's neighbors wife.

Regardless, defining what is right or wrong based on the superstitious tales cobbled together by a bronzed aged, stone throwing, wandering desert tribe of goat herders is not exactly something one wants to base their 21st century society on.

Most of us have progressed past that point.
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Old 07-02-2014, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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What makes it abnormal? Certainly there are examples of homosexual behaviors in the animal kingdom. What makes it offensive?

I have ZERO attraction to another male sexually, but if that other male has a same sex partner in a loving relationship, how does that affect society negatively.

It doesn't. It may offend you, probably because you can't, like me, imagine being with another male, but they being homosexual is not the downfall of society.

Those bible belt christians who commit adultery are far worse a negative impact.

Far worse. The betrayed their partner, and if children are involved, dishonored them.
It uses the body (repeatedly) in ways it was not meant to be used.
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