These same type of issues were in another thread long ago where people confused abiogenesis with spontaneous generation and thought that abiogenesis was just a fairy tale.
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My responses and others are just repeats tackling the same misunderstandings and intentional misrepresentations.
To this question, 'Have you ever witnessed abiogenesis?' I answered:
See, this is the stupidity of your understanding and why you constantly misrepresent the issues.
You actually think, based on other statements as well, that abiogenesis is a one step deal that can be observed within a short time frame - utter foolishness - which is why the peanut butter analogy is even more stupid.
Here let me lay out a brief summary of the issues that revolve around the chemical change from geochemistry to biochemistry:
It is a long Process that included many steps. It is therefore wise to study it on a couple of different broad levels. These are:
A) The Origin of Biological Monomers - Already a Done Deal on many different levels and Environments.
B) The Origin of Biological Polymers - Some Preliminary Progress has been made.
C) The Chemical Evolution from Biomolocules to either a non-genetic reproductive cycle (Metabolic Pathway first hypothesis) or to genetic based reproductive cycles (which can include pre-cellular reproduction like RNA or pre-RNA molecules). This would constitute life. Some Preliminary Progress has been made on this with some great theories that still need to be tested.
Furthermore, at each stage Four steps need to be implemented:
1) Isolation, 2) Selection, 3) Concentration, and 4) Organization
Each one has been shown for the above 3 levels. It can happen by physical and chemical process pretty easily in global Earth environment with all the environmental cycles that take place every second - UNLIKE A PEANUT BUTTER JAR.
To the question 'Do you have any logical reason to believe it exist or is possible?' I responded:
Yeah it is called inference based upon the above scientific results, which is more than you have been able to muster.
I would also like to say, as other have, that I do not believe that abiogenesis is a FACT of Science -- yet. That is not what this thread was about but you came in here making broad absolute claims that it is impossible while offering nothing other than your beliefs as an alternative. So stop the misrepresentations and accusations.
I am very open to the possibility of some form of intelligent universe theory but to suggest that the specifics of the Biblical God must be the solution to your ignorance (that is - the gaps in the scientific knowledge at this point) is what is wishful thinking and a fairy tale.
And to the question 'Did you see mold spores in your peanut butter and think that's it?' I responded:
Now I think you can see, probably not, why a statement like - 'If abiogenesis were true all you would have to do is open a jar of peanut butter and see if life arose spontaneously' - How stupid.
See it is the same old canards. It's old and tired!
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