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Old 12-20-2007, 06:09 AM
 
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Or is that 6000 years old ?
I thought some people might like to find out about this wonderful discovery in France.
It's absolutely fascinating and is the only full specimen found in Europe.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3263520.ece
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Old 12-20-2007, 08:49 AM
 
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Very interesting article Mooseketeer..Yes, this believer believes in an old world..
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:02 AM
 
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Or is that 6000 years old ?
I thought some people might like to find out about this wonderful discovery in France.
It's absolutely fascinating and is the only full specimen found in Europe.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3263520.ece
So how did they find out it was that old? Did it have a date of death stamped in the rock beside it? (sorry, can't go to link)
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:03 AM
 
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Default Here's my dilemma...

OK, the fossil is a supposed 30 million years old. The next oldest is a supposed 1.8 million years old. They are both from different continents even. So, why does it look exactly or near exactly the same as today's hummingbirds? Are today's hummingbirds yet another 'living fossil'?
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:28 AM
 
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OK, the fossil is a supposed 30 million years old. The next oldest is a supposed 1.8 million years old. They are both from different continents even. So, why does it look exactly or near exactly the same as today's hummingbirds? Are today's hummingbirds yet another 'living fossil'?
Uh, so long as a species is successful in its environment, there need not be great variation over time.
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:35 AM
 
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Uh, so long as a species is successful in its environment, there need not be great variation over time.
So according to that logic the hummingbird was possibly the first thing that came into being.
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Old 12-20-2007, 09:56 AM
 
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Uh, so long as a species is successful in its environment, there need not be great variation over time.
So that's why some say we current humans are 'transistional forms' because we are 'evolving' all the time; right?

If it was successful in its environment to have reached a point of stasis, why is it no longer in Europe? Or did it die out in Europe, only to evolve all over again separately over the 20 million year gap (according to the article) exactly the same way as before, just on a different continent?

"Reached stasis" is kind of a convenient argument, like the one that goes 'given enough time...'

And didn't birds supposedly evolve from dinos? So dinos were already extinct from 65 million years ago and a fully formed, funtioning, nearly identical of today's hummingbird was fossilized 30 million years ago. Is that enough time for that to have occurred as posited by scientists?

Just ponderings.

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Old 12-20-2007, 02:08 PM
 
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So according to that logic the hummingbird was possibly the first thing that came into being.
No. According that logic if something is adaptable to a variety of enivornments wouldn't change greatly do to natural selection. Similarly, if an organism was in the perfect environment for its needs and that environment did not change much over time, it would likely not change.
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Old 12-20-2007, 02:09 PM
 
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So that's why some say we current humans are 'transistional forms' because we are 'evolving' all the time; right?

If it was successful in its environment to have reached a point of stasis, why is it no longer in Europe? Or did it die out in Europe, only to evolve all over again separately over the 20 million year gap (according to the article) exactly the same way as before, just on a different continent?

"Reached stasis" is kind of a convenient argument, like the one that goes 'given enough time...'

And didn't birds supposedly evolve from dinos? So dinos were already extinct from 65 million years ago and a fully formed, funtioning, nearly identical of today's hummingbird was fossilized 30 million years ago. Is that enough time for that to have occurred as posited by scientists?

Just ponderings.
Go to a biology website and ask these questions. Sorry, but they have nothing to do with religon.
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Old 12-20-2007, 02:24 PM
 
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Or is that 6000 years old ?
I thought some people might like to find out about this wonderful discovery in France.
It's absolutely fascinating and is the only full specimen found in Europe.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3263520.ece
Impossible!!

30 Million years ago chickens were T-Rexes...that would make hummingbirds raptors.

IMPOSSIBLE!!

See this thread: //www.city-data.com/forum/relig...e-immoral.html

(Post 47 and others)
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