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Old 08-02-2014, 12:06 AM
 
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Not sure why no science advise was given, but what the hey, this is the bible. Leviticus to be exact. Chapter 14 to be even more precise.

God's law for lepers: 14:2-52
  • Get two birds.
  • Kill one.
  • Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one.
  • Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off.
  • Next find a lamb and kill it.
  • Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe.
  • Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe.
  • Repeat.
  • Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering.

Now, doesn't this sound remarkably like a witch doctor or a Wicca ceremony? Just sayin'.
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Old 08-02-2014, 12:24 AM
 
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This is also old law.
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Old 08-02-2014, 12:28 AM
 
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This is also old law.
Oh, you mean like the Leviticus thing about homosexuals?

Regardless, funny that God would tell Moses to do such a strange practice, don't you think? Sort of like those Voodoo things from Haiti.
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Old 08-02-2014, 12:31 AM
 
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Oh, you mean like the Leviticus thing about homosexuals?

Regardless, funny that God would tell Moses to do such a strange practice, don't you think? Sort of like those Voodoo things from Haiti.
No i dont mean anything with homosexuals, that wasnt brought up in my reply or your OP.

No i also dont find it funny God would say that to anyone. He said a lot of things in the Bible.
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Old 08-02-2014, 04:40 AM
 
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This is also old law.
Correct. The New came up with a much more effective method. Pray. If it doesn't work, Pray some more until (hopefully) it does. If it still doesn't work, use the excuse someone didn't have enough faith/Sometimes God says No - whichever sounds least embarrassing.
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Old 08-02-2014, 05:19 AM
 
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No i dont mean anything with homosexuals, that wasnt brought up in my reply or your OP.

No i also dont find it funny God would say that to anyone. He said a lot of things in the Bible.
Oh! So does this mean you can ignore whichever ones you don't think make any sense?
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Old 08-02-2014, 05:34 AM
 
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This is pretty common ritualistic practice for curing infirmities in the Ancient Near East. Most cultures had a concept that a human - who was seen in varying degrees as being intrinsically unable to approach the gods - had to be ritually pure to approach the gods. Ritual impurity could accrue to humans in various ways (inherent from birth, accidental exposure to certain objects or persons, as a result of performing various rituals, breaking certain taboos, black magic from a sorcerer, an individual's sin, etc.), and thus methods were employed to bring one into a state of ritual purity. This was important, as one could not offer any sort of worship if one was in a state of ritual impurity.

ANE texts are full of medical texts that are quite bewildering by our modern standards ha ha! As for leprosy (which was probably not what we understand as leprosy today, but some sort of skin ailment), an Assyrian text reveals that they had the same misgivings concerning a "leper" and his/her ability to approach the gods:
May Sin [a moon god - Whoppers], the light of heaven and earth, cover you with leprosy and so prevent you going in to gods and kings;
(then) wander like a wild ass or gazelle through the fields!
(Curse Formula if one breaks a Vassal Treaty from ca. 680 BCE, Hartmut Schmokel - "Mesopotamian Texts", in Beyerlin, Near Eastern Religious Texts Relating to the Old Testament, TOTL 1978, Eng., p. 130)
The Israelite ritual is extremely interesting in how it deals with the problem, and the symbolism being used. It is far too much to go into here, but one interesting feature is the ANE belief in the ability of certain animals and materials (cedar, etc.) to "banish" evil spirits from a sufferer. Though the Hebrew Bible does its best to distance itself from certain practices, many rituals in the Mosaic Code display this ancient religious belief system. It is especially apparent in the sin-expiation ritual in which the people's sins are "banished" into the desert using a scapegoat as a sacrifice to Azazel.

Though this may strike as extremely odd today, it was fairly common in the ancient world where medicine was not separated from religion as we are accustomed to today. Arequipa mentioned a hold-over from this practice with the use of prayer among Christians, which is no more effective than using a turtle-dove I imagine!
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Old 08-02-2014, 07:56 AM
 
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Not sure why no science advise was given, but what the hey, this is the bible. Leviticus to be exact. Chapter 14 to be even more precise.

God's law for lepers: 14:2-52
  • Get two birds.
  • Kill one.
  • Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one.
  • Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off.
  • Next find a lamb and kill it.
  • Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe.
  • Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe.
  • Repeat.
  • Finally kill a couple doves and offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering.

Now, doesn't this sound remarkably like a witch doctor or a Wicca ceremony? Just sayin'.
Why do you think this was?
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Old 08-02-2014, 08:45 AM
 
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Why do you think this was?
Hello Pastor Vizio.

I would be far more interested in knowing why you think this was.

The answer "Bronze Age superstition" is way less interesting than watching someone rationalize it as the perfect instruction of an all-knowing super-being.

Please proceed.

Thanks.
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Old 08-02-2014, 11:03 AM
 
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Hello Pastor Vizio.

I would be far more interested in knowing why you think this was.

The answer "Bronze Age superstition" is way less interesting than watching someone rationalize it as the perfect instruction of an all-knowing super-being.

Please proceed.

Thanks.
There was a sacrificial system at the time. Blood was sacrificed for sins. Life was in the blood. That's why Jesus died on the cross--to shed his blood as an atonement. This was a picture of that, consistent with the sacrificial system.
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