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You stated it was. You never explained why. You're begging the question and assuming that your system of morality is better...but you've never made the case.
Similarly, you have not made your case, nor have you even given us a reason to think your morality might be worthwhile.
Cupper said something like if it feels good, do it, as long as you don't harm anybody.
Rather than playing empty word games, why don't you either state your view of morality, or give us a reason why cupper's definition is wrong.
On our last go-round it was made clear that neither of us possesses any understanding of the Bible beyond a layman's level - by your own admission. I can provide contextual quotes from you if need be. So your effort here to present yourself as some sort of Bible expert falls flat. While it may excite and impress your friends in the echo chamber, in truth, we both know better - don't we?
We also came to the understanding that you really don't understand what Christianity actually is nor are you apparently interested in hearing my take on what Christianity is.
After a bit of discussion, it soon became apparent to me that your grasp of theology and Biblical understanding, what shall I say... seems to be rather wanting. Which, being that my level is layman's at best, yours is apparently worse. That's not good news for you.
So, when you undertake to criticize the Bible and/or Christianity you are essentially attacking something that you actually know very little about. In essence, you're flying blind.
Also, according to you, your knowledge of history is extensive in terms of earned credentials. You have my sincere congratulations. Still, it appears to me that there's been a good deal of exposure to a sort of modernized politicized indoctrinated view either gained from others or formed on your own with a view towards bolstering your own political views. In all honesty, it appears to me that your 'religion' is actually politics and your political view is informing both your theology and your general philosophical worldview. That would explain why you seem to delight in and be fixated by composing these wordy politicized axe grinding posts.
That said, and being that you delight in axe grinding, my suggestion would be for you to hang out in the political forums with the rest of the axe grinders. I hope this advice proves helpful in some way ;-)
You claim to have a sound layman's grasp of scripture and yet you completely failed to address a single point Shirina made.
In any case, it's a circular argument that someone who doesn't "understand" the Bible or Christianity to some arbitrary level you consider sufficient, can't critique on logical grounds. And as your response proves, having an "understanding" or theological matters does not equip you to respond on logical grounds, either.
Besides ... I strongly suspect that you would define this "understanding" you speak of as "agreeing with your particular dogma".
On our last go-round it was made clear that neither of us possesses any understanding of the Bible beyond a layman's level - by your own admission. I can provide contextual quotes from you if need be. So your effort here to present yourself as some sort of Bible expert falls flat. While it may excite and impress your friends in the echo chamber, in truth, we both know better - don't we?
We also came to the understanding that you really don't understand what Christianity actually is nor are you apparently interested in hearing my take on what Christianity is.
After a bit of discussion, it soon became apparent to me that your grasp of theology and Biblical understanding, what shall I say... seems to be rather wanting. Which, being that my level is layman's at best, yours is apparently worse. That's not good news for you.
So, when you undertake to criticize the Bible and/or Christianity you are essentially attacking something that you actually know very little about. In essence, you're flying blind.
Also, according to you, your knowledge of history is extensive in terms of earned credentials. You have my sincere congratulations. Still, it appears to me that there's been a good deal of exposure to a sort of modernized politicized indoctrinated view either gained from others or formed on your own with a view towards bolstering your own political views. In all honesty, it appears to me that your 'religion' is actually politics and your political view is informing both your theology and your general philosophical worldview. That would explain why you seem to delight in and be fixated by composing these wordy politicized axe grinding posts.
That said, and being that you delight in axe grinding, my suggestion would be for you to hang out in the political forums with the rest of the axe grinders. I hope this advice proves helpful in some way ;-)
As that noted philosopher, Bugs Bunny, once opined:
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You stated it was. You never explained why. You're begging the question and assuming that your system of morality is better...but you've never made the case.
It is so simple:
If it feels good, do it.
If it harms others or yourself, don't.
And that covers about everything one needs to consider about being moral or living within a society.
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It's an honest question. How do you know? Do you realize that Isaac carried the wood for the sacrifice? He very likely knew what was coming. The text doesn't say he was terrified. You're inserting your own opinion.
Vizio, quit playing cute.
If your bound, on an sacrificial alter, which Isaac knew it was, and have wood surrounding you ready to burn you, your going to be in a good mood?
And that covers about everything one needs to consider about being moral or living within a society.
And what if you are oblivious to the harm that you are causing? For example, a lot of people enjoy gossiping completely unaware that this gossip could cause feelings of low self-esteem or depression in the target of the gossip. In this case, your simple standard fails.
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And what if you are oblivious to the harm that you are causing? For example, a lot of people enjoy gossiping completely unaware that this gossip could cause feelings of low self-esteem or depression in the target of the gossip. In this case, your simple standard fails.
They may be oblivious, however, once pointed out what the issue is, the construct I proposed would certainly apply.
Look at it from the perspective of some of the ten commandments.
"Thou shalt not steal"
If a person was not to know this, how could they know they are doing wrong. Typical example is a two year old grabbing a playmate's toy, shouting, "Mine!". Parents teach that child it is wrong to just take without asking (although with two year olds that teaching moment can take months it seems).
Same procedure with your example. Once a person learns that their behavior harms others, they can alter it.
Thankfully the USA is a democracy, not a theocracy. Christains have not cornered the market on values. You can have values without the fear god's wrath. You don't need to constantly honor, and praise a diety, or worry about heaven or hell, in order to have values. If you can't be good without god, you have a problem.
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