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Old 09-21-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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Where have you been Vizio? Just look around at history. There are three possible things that can happen and all of them can overlap.

1) Force/Fear - people force others to acquiesce to their position and threw fear get them to submit.

2) Reason - people debate and discuss their differences and some change their mind and eventually a consensus develops based upon principles that are based upon reason, science, logic, etc.

3) Freedom - you allow others to exist with such differences and set boundaries to that freedom based upon principles that are based upon reason, science, logic, etc.

You fall into #1.

The rest fall into #2 and #3. They have exercised their mind to arrive at an understanding of why reason and freedom are better off than otherwise. This is how the real world works. Start paying attention.

Invoking God does not grant an automatic understanding of 'Why' something is right - it just asserts it based upon the status of the entity being invoked. You still do not know who is right unless you ask why is the entity being invoked right. As such you are stuck in a 'might is right' morality and must use force and fear to get people to acquiesce. If we ask all the gods or the people that invoke these gods who is right how do you proceed to demonstrate that - what are the reasons for such a conclusion. If you do this then you are engaging in #2.

And the fact is you have not answered any questions you just asserted your god.

You have been found wanting more than once - here and elsewhere - but just can't see it because you are truly blind.

I suggest you seek to understand why non-zero sum games are important in realizing that cooperation is better off than otherwise and as such a logical and reasonable principle can be made from such truths. It is not necessarily true that someone must lose out in order for someone to gain - in fact cooperation can lead to both parties gaining more by cooperating than if they did not cooperate. Such a fact is the basis for why we have societies in the first place. As such this has deep evolutionary and social roots that have not just been biologically instantiated but socially logical and understandable to reasonable people. It is also why at a biological level there is a thing called division of labor - you should look into that as well instead of reading that ignorant ancient tribal trash and robbing yourself of a proper education - you might actually start to understand things a little better.


That doesn't even come close to rationally explaining morality and would of been tossed centuries ago by beginner alter boys who had difficulty learning the latin.
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Old 09-21-2014, 12:00 PM
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That doesn't even come close to rationally explaining morality and would of been tossed centuries ago by beginner alter boys who had difficulty learning the latin.
Who said it was meant to EXPLAIN MORALITY?
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Old 09-21-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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Who said it was meant to EXPLAIN MORALITY?
Your way too smart for that all it does is make things further toward the potential negativity .
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Old 09-21-2014, 12:05 PM
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Your way too smart for that garble and u know it.
I am smart - thank you!

Vizio asked what happens when two people disagree. I explained what takes place in the real world and how people come to decide on what is right. I did not try to explain morality rationally.
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Old 09-21-2014, 12:07 PM
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Your way too smart for that all it does is make things further toward the potential negativity .
'The potential negativity' - what is this?
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Old 09-21-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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'The potential negativity' - what is this?
Well, the entry is in correction mode ?
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Old 09-21-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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I am smart - thank you!

Vizio asked what happens when two people disagree. I explained what takes place in the real world and how people come to decide on what is right. I did not try to explain morality rationally.

Deliberation is a supposed act of morality .
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Old 09-21-2014, 12:40 PM
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Deliberation is a supposed act of morality .
Yes, and pointing out how people engage moral issues are different than metaphysical issues which are different than normative issues, etc., etc.

If you have an issue with what I said lay it out apart from the obvious one liners.
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Old 09-21-2014, 12:43 PM
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Well, the entry is in correction mode ?
What? Do you mean your post (your entry) is in correction mode? You either corrected it or you did not.
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Old 09-21-2014, 01:02 PM
 
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Where have you been Vizio? Just look around at history. There are three possible things that can happen and all of them can overlap.

1) Force/Fear - people force others to acquiesce to their position and through fear get them to submit.

2) Reason - people debate and discuss their differences and some change their mind and eventually a consensus develops based upon principles that are based upon reason, science, logic, etc.

3) Freedom - you allow others to exist with such differences and set boundaries to that freedom based upon principles that are based upon reason, science, logic, etc.

You fall into #1.

The rest fall into #2 and #3. They have exercised their mind to arrive at an understanding of why reason and freedom are better off than otherwise. This is how the real world works. Start paying attention.

All three are interconnected with each other. Making formal suggestions they are not is nice but doesn't explain anything.
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