Christian morality: an atheist's point of view (agnostic, science, before)
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No system of morality has been handed down by an authority, because this authority figure does not exist.
No system of morality is 100% definitive, clearly defined and unanimously agreed upon. There will always be individuals or groups who run counter to this. This does not invalidate morality. It simply means that somebody has rejected morality.
The nazis were wrong.
Why? Why do you claim to be able to say that? They don't accept your system of morality, and you are not in authority over them. Your "do no harm" morality is not objective. It's subjective. Do you understand that?
I gave you the best definition or description I could, which is what you asked for. So you can find objections to it. So we can with the supposed morality from the Bible - and other religions. This gets us nowhere. If we don't believe the religions, then they have no more authority than the various groups of humans - who come up with remarkably similar answers.
I don't see where this is getting us.
Are you willing to admit that there is no such thing as man-made morality that is objective? That you have no ability to judge another human being based on your subjective system?
Are you willing to admit that there is no such thing as man-made morality that is objective? That you have no ability to judge another human being based on your subjective system?
Despite claiming to be listening to the same god and reading the same holy book, different groups of Christians at different times have opined that dresses shorter than ankle length, women speaking in church, smoking, facial hair, electricity, motion pictures, serving in the military, seeking medical care from doctors, and dancing, all are "immoral" -- while others opine that these things are perfectly fine. So much for objectivity and certitude. Ultimately, you select a particular version of Christian morality (generally by selecting a particular denomination / dogma) and proclaim its rightness. This has nothing to do with what god is supposed to have said, and everything to do with your preferences and opinions.
It is not objective, immutable, or absolute. That is just a canard.
Society claims the right to judge its members by its morals, not me. It can, and it does.
I have denied objective morality several times on this thread. I have repeatedly stated that morality is subjective. What does it take to get this through your thick skull?
Do I have to say it one more time? 8 more times? 100?
Despite claiming to be listening to the same god and reading the same holy book, different groups of Christians at different times have opined that dresses shorter than ankle length, women speaking in church, smoking, facial hair, electricity, motion pictures, serving in the military, seeking medical care from doctors, and dancing, all are "immoral" -- while others opine that these things are perfectly fine. So much for objectivity and certitude. Ultimately, you select a particular version of Christian morality (generally by selecting a particular denomination / dogma) and proclaim its rightness. This has nothing to do with what god is supposed to have said, and everything to do with your preferences and opinions.
It is not objective, immutable, or absolute. That is just a canard.
Society claims the right to judge its members by its morals, not me. It can, and it does.
Again...you're proving my point. Individual people have different standards of morality. I've been saying this the whole time.
I have denied objective morality several times on this thread. I have repeatedly stated that morality is subjective. What does it take to get this through your thick skull?
Do I have to say it one more time? 8 more times? 100?
So if man-made morality is objective, why do you pretend to be able to judge anyone based on your opinion, or society's opinion of what is moral or immoral?
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Yet.....you guys are filling the role perfectly. The thread was started to debate morality. I just asked for a simple definition of morality....and not a single person can give me an example of morality that is applicable to every single human that has ever lived.
Not one.
Nope.
Of course I did, you just ignore it.
Let's try again.
If it feels good, do it
If it harms you or someone else, don't
Remember? It applies to all. The fact that we have people past, present and in the future who don't live by that creed does not make it invalid.
So if man-made morality is objective, why do you pretend to be able to judge anyone based on your opinion, or society's opinion of what is moral or immoral?
Ok. I admit defeat. Your persistent habit of asking questions that have been answered over and over again, while refusing to actually contribute in any positive way to this conversation, are too much for me.
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Originally Posted by fishbrains
Ok. I admit defeat. Your persistent habit of asking questions that have been answered over and over again, while refusing to actually contribute in any positive way to this conversation, are too much for me.
Perhaps, fishbrains, the question should be is it moral for someone to be obtuse?
Perhaps, fishbrains, the question should be is it moral for someone to be obtuse?
I'm pretty sure deliberative obtuseness is a grave offense to any deity interested in truth.
Probably up (down?) there with sanctimony.
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