Christian morality: an atheist's point of view (bible, Israel, quote)
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Your opinion about God is no more authoritative than my opinion about consensus ... except we actually USE consensus, so I still win whether you think it has any authority or not.
I'm still waiting for you to explain how we can judge God to be moral, good, and just if humans are incapable of judging morality.
So then you're willing to admit that you cannot judge him to be immoral?
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Tick tock.
Still waiting for objective proof that the Bible is 100% absolute Truth right down to the periods and commas.
Tickity tock ... tick tock ...
Still waiting ...
...and waiting ...
(And you're going to respond by saying, "I'm still waiting for you to show me why anyone should listen to your opinion on morality ...!" I don't have to prove anything because consensus IS, in fact, the method we use. If you don't like it, feel free to break the law any time you want.)
Sorry Shirinia...this thread isn't about proving the existence of God. I will not participate in hijacking the thread.
So then you're willing to admit that you cannot judge him to be immoral?
I've already judged God to be immoral.
Just like you've judged him to be moral.
You can't sit here and say that humans can't judge morality then judge God to be good. That's dishonest. If you can judge him to be good, I can judge him to be just the opposite. And whether you like it or not, the vast majority of moral people will agree that God's actions are despicably immoral. The only thing that muddies the water is the fact that God committed those acts, but remove God from the equation and you'll have a hard time finding anyone who thinks of those actions as good, just, and fair.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Sorry Shirinia...this thread isn't about proving the existence of God. I will not participate in hijacking the thread.
Like hell it isn't.
Your entire premise is built on the presupposition that God exists. That makes God's existence extremely pertinent to the topic. You can try dodging the question by pretending to be a moderator, but I think we're all pretty wise to your rather cheapo tactic.
At least in your opinion. But as we all know, an opinion is worthless to anyone but the one that holds it.
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Just like you've judged him to be moral.
Nope. He doesn't need my validation.
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You can't sit here and say that humans can't judge morality then judge God to be good. That's dishonest. If you can judge him to be good, I can judge him to be just the opposite. And whether you like it or not, the vast majority of moral people will agree that God's actions are despicably immoral. The only thing that muddies the water is the fact that God committed those acts, but remove God from the equation and you'll have a hard time finding anyone who thinks of those actions as good, just, and fair.
Like **** it isn't.
Your entire premise is built on the presupposition that God exists. That makes God's existence extremely pertinent to the topic. You can try dodging the question by pretending to be a moderator, but I think we're all pretty wise to your rather cheapo tactic.
Actually, it's based on the idea that you, or anyone else that bases morality on a whim is incapable of judging ANYONE. Be that anyone Hitler, Gandhi, or God.
So then you're willing to admit that you cannot judge him to be immoral?
This seems to be a central source of your confusion, Vizio . . . equating the actor with the acts. It is an all-too-common human trait. Only acts are subject to moral evaluation . . . and what Shirina and virtually everyone else who has been trying to penetrate the dogmatic cloud around you has said is . . . some of the ACTS of God in the OT are immoral . . . using the very morality Christ Himself has taught us. You pretend that they are NOT because of who the actor was . . . God. That is fallacious moral reasoning for someone professing to believe morality is objective and absolute. At the very least it is profoundly NOT Christian.
OMG thanks for a good laugh on a Sunday morning :-)
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