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So much evidence .... that we keep asking for. Again.
And again.
And again.
And all we get in return is the Bible, some anecdotal "personal experiences" that could be anything, some people walking away from a bad car wreck or surviving cancer (God protected me!!!), Pascal's Wager, arguements from ignorance (and other assorted fallacies), and ultimately threats of being tormented in Hell
I also can't help but notice how YHWH/Jehovah/Jesus suddenly becomes a generic "creator" when this type of issue crops up. Of course we all know there's nothing generic about it.
Do you have any idea just how bad this world would get if evidence for a creator WAS found? You might want to think long and hard about that ... because I can guarantee you that everyone isn't going to turn, hug their neighbors, and sing hymns. It will be one of the blackest days in human history.
But that's not the reason why we atheists don't accept the flimsy and ambiguous (and often fallacious) evidence so far presented by believers. We refuse the flimsy and ambiguous (and often fallacious) evidence because ... well ... because it is flimsy and ambiguous (and often fallacious).
I don't need a Bible or personal experiences or a miraculous cure to believe in a creator. Logic will suffice.
For once, present your logic and we'll evaluate it.
For once? I've done it several times, and you responded, so I know you read it, including one recent thread.
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Originally Posted by Amaznjohn
And they will have the same difficulty as you at presenting it.
Not difficult at all. The question for this thread though, is why do all these people believe, and continue to believe? Obviously, they have sufficient evidence.
For once? I've done it several times, and you responded, so I know you read it, including one recent thread.
Not difficult at all. The question for this thread though, is why do all these people believe, and continue to believe? Obviously, they have sufficient evidence.
And Jim Jones followers had sufficient evidence for believing they should drink his Kool-Aid. So, just because they have sufficient evidence for them to believe doesn't lend any more credence to their beliefs.
And Jim Jones followers had sufficient evidence for believing they should drink his Kool-Aid. So, just because they have sufficient evidence for them to believe doesn't lend any more credence to their beliefs.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
A lot of educated, reasonable, well-adjusted people will disagree with you.
Why would an educated, reasonable, well-adjusted adult continue to believe something with no evidence? Answer: they won't.
I don't need a Bible or personal experiences or a miraculous cure to believe in a creator. Logic will suffice.
Sorry, but no.
There is nothing logical about an absolutist belief in magic and the supernatural. I highly doubt that you or anyone else can use logic to show evidence for an illogical belief.
Why would an educated, reasonable, well-adjusted adult continue to believe something with no evidence? Answer: they won't.
Sure they will.
Think of it this way. You are convinced that you worship the One True God who heads the One True Religion, do you not? I mean, your beliefs and your religion are 110% correct and everyone else is wrong. Everyone else worships a false god under a false religion - or maintain the false assertion that no gods exist at all.
Yet, strangely enough, 2/3rds of the world's population is NOT Christian. If there is SO much evidence for the existence of your specific god and the correctness of your specific religion - why aren't people converting in droves?
I guess they are continuing to believe in their own religions - most likely because Muslims, Hindus, and every other deity-centric belief will point to the same "evidence" and the same "logic" to prove that their own gods exist, that their own religions are true. In other words, I'm certain that there is a Hindu in India right now telling someone all about the evidence and logic that proves the Truth of the Hindu religion - and Christianity is false.
Except ... how can that be if all the evidence and logic point directly to YHWH/Jehovah and Jesus?
Which means that either your supposed position regarding the veracity of your religion isn't nearly as strong as you claim it is ... OR ... 4 billion people are believing in different gods and different religions without any evidence.
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