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Old 12-23-2014, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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I never heard of such a thing before. But it seems to be not uncommon.

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William Peters was working as a volunteer in a hospice when he had a strange encounter with a dying man that changed his life.

The man’s name was Ron, and he was a former Merchant Marine who was afflicted with stomach cancer. Peters says he would spend up to three hours a day at Ron’s bedside, talking to and reading adventure stories to him because few family or friends visited.

When Peters plopped by Ron’s beside around lunch one day, the frail man was semi-conscious. Peters read passages from Jack London’s “Call of the Wild” as the frail man struggled to hang on. What happened next, Peters says, was inexplicable.

Peters says he felt a force jerk his spirit upward, out of his body. He floated above Ron’s bedside, looking down at the dying man. Then he glanced next to him to discover Ron floating alongside him, looking at the same scene below.
“He looked at me and he gave me this happy, contented look as if he was telling me, ‘Check this out. Here we are,’ ’’ Peters says.

Peters says he then felt his spirit drop into his body again. The experience was over in a flash. Ron died soon afterward, but Peters’ questions about that day lingered. He didn’t know what to call that moment but he eventually learned that it wasn’t unique. Peters had a “shared-death experience.”

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One cannot blame this on the effects of a dying brain.
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Old 12-23-2014, 12:42 PM
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Interesting.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:29 PM
 
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One cannot blame this on the effects of a dying brain.
No, but I can blame it on a personal subjective experience that reflects his empathy with the dying man and his desire for him to be okay.

But you probably knew I was going to say that. :-)
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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No, but I can blame it on a personal subjective experience that reflects his empathy with the dying man and his desire for him to be okay.

But you probably knew I was going to say that. :-)
Of course, atheists always have some solution and never consider for a second that these stories are real.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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Of course, atheists always have some solution and never consider for a second that these stories are real.
And it's interesting because there have been a plethora of former Atheist from professors to scientist that have published books, testimonials, and research studies about their NDE/OBE experiences along with others and they still deny all of their evidence despite their credentials. Like I've mentioned before, believing is a choice.
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Old 12-23-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Of course, atheists always have some solution and never consider for a second that these stories are real.
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And it's interesting because there have been a plethora of former Atheist from professors to scientist that have published books, testimonials, and research studies about their NDE/OBE experiences along with others and they still deny all of their evidence despite their credentials. Like I've mentioned before, believing is a choice.
Yep. Some people will not allow themselves to consider any evidence that contradicts their belief system.

When I was an atheist/agnostic, in my early 20s I was confronted with evidence that could not be explained away. I allowed myself to look into the matter and one thing led to another and after a few years I became a Christian.

I remember getting so excited that there was indeed an afterlife.
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Old 12-23-2014, 02:17 PM
 
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sometimes even the most brilliant minds cannot begin to comprehend the spiritual world.
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Old 12-23-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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No, but I can blame it on a personal subjective experience that reflects his empathy with the dying man and his desire for him to be okay.

But you probably knew I was going to say that. :-)
Now I want you to think long and hard how empathy will cause an out of body experience, esp with level headed professionals. I hold a degree in Psychology and your idea makes no scientific sense.
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Old 12-23-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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sometimes even the most brilliant minds cannot begin to comprehend the spiritual world.
You're always so polite.
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Old 12-23-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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You're always so polite.

with age comes wisdom..

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