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I stated a few facts. You came back and *assummed* I meant something more by those statements and proceeded with a long rant to make yourself feel important. Feel free to keep arguing with imaginary strawmen on a meaningless Internet forum it gives your life purpose.
What a sad soul you are. Bitter and sad is all I read in these words...I know this is what your religion teaches.
The Islam God as well as the Christian Judah God is a real creep that is worse than Sudan Hussein. Instead of just torturing you for life it tortures you for eternity…for not believing. Why should we believe in a hateful, unmerciful, petty, sadomasochistic, homophobic sexist God? It’s just irrational. It’s not sensible.
I am thankful to see your religion dying...it will hopefully lead you to finding true spirituality vs. lame judgments.
All of those that applaud the turn from religion need to look at the side effects. When and where I grew up, people didn't turn their backs on God to pursue porn, drugs, etc. God was the anchor. I prefer to stick with God but everyone else is welcome to pursue their "god" whether it be porn, illegal drugs, etc.
Re: 'I can't think of one thing that Religion as done for the betterment of our planet compared to what science and increasing knowledge has done for it'
Science is a fabulous activity emanating from the human mind. I'd suggest religion is too.
Perhaps there is too much overweight on the negativity of it? Positive analysis seems to be arbitrarily cut off with the opinion.
Both methods of understanding ourselves require inquisitiveness and produce actions presumably to 'better' mankind. I think they fulfill that obligation yet to exclude one over the other suggests a bias to one that is surely not the case. For arguably science is probably the most egregious in that it is the only one that in one fell swoop produced the introduction of the probably the most gravest scenarios that could ever befall humanity and that is the equation 'E= mc squared. Like a modern day Frankenstein, that will always haunt us as it delves into life and death as we learn the secrets of our universe.
For all its production of benefit, ironically scientific inquiry is probably the worst security method for our existence on the face of the earth than any other mode of inquiry we can imagine. With each jump in knowledge we arguably always advance our own destruction.
Now that's a great post, travric.
I am not interested in arguing the ins and outs of religious belief, or getting into "it's good!"...."no it's bad!!" argument. This thread seems better suited to the sociology of the change, if you will.
I think that there was a sudden and profound abandonment of religion, starting 100 years ago. Nothing has been seen like it in 2,000 years. While I agree that science may have played a role, it isn't "the cause". Science has been around, and progressing, for over 500 years. Science and religion co-existed for centuries.
As Dylan said, "you gotta serve somebody". And I think that masses of people switched from Christianity to other forms of "worship", if you will. Yes, sex has always been around. Drugs have been around for 200 years or more. Moloch and Mammon have been worshiped for thousands of years. Modern day liberalism (versus the classical liberalism, which was almost the complete opposite) holds itself out as "the way", and the absolute devotion that many of its followers have to Liberalism tells me that they view it much the same way that Oz-ites viewed The Mighty Oz. But all of these kinds of substitutes had rather small "followings" and adherents, until quite recently. (Technology is more recent, and has come bounding onto the stage with a big splash; many people feel it is the "be all and end all", deep down. It is The Way. This new kid on the block will soon be the most worshipped thing, if it isn't already).
We don't just "like" these substitutes; they have enormous MEANING to us.
Just like "God" used to have.
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Re: 'I can't think of one thing that Religion as done for the betterment of our planet compared to what science and increasing knowledge has done for it'
Please list one thing that Religion has done for the betterment of our Planet? I can list many things that it has done and is still doing that oppresses humans, divides humans and stunts true spiritual progress and development.
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Both methods of understanding ourselves require inquisitiveness and produce actions presumably to 'better' mankind.
Odd how you can say this. When Christianity and Islam were created...it was not to better humanity but rather to oppress it. It was to instill fear and delusion about the world we live in. This is not how you better humanity...humans today behave no better than humans from the dark ages. This is how much of a failure religion is.
Science on the other had has greatly improved plant and animal life.
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I think they fulfill that obligation yet to exclude one over the other suggests a bias to one that is surely not the case. For arguably science is probably the most egregious in that it is the only one that in one fell swoop produced the introduction of the probably the most gravest scenarios that could ever befall humanity and that is the equation 'E= mc squared. Like a modern day Frankenstein, that will always haunt us as it delves into life and death as we learn the secrets of our universe.
You need a history lesson about Einstein's scientific discoveries if you think Einstein's E =mc2 was solely created for the purpose of building the atomic bomb. E=mc2 had a supporting role in the story of nuclear fission research. Not as the mechanism behind nuclear power, but as a tool: Because energy and mass are equivalent, highly sensitive measurements of the masses of different atomic nuclei gave the researchers important clues about the strength of the nuclear bond.
Next you need a history lesson over WWII to understand why the atomic bomb was created.
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In 1954, a year before his death, Einstein said to his old friend, Linus Pauling, "I made one great mistake in my life—when I signed the letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made; but there was some justification—the danger that the Germans would make them .
War is ugly and horrific and men will do anything to overpower the enemy. This is no fault of science.
How many years have the religious wars been going on in the name of religion?How many people have been tortured, burned at the stake, beheaded, oppressed and violated in the name of religion?
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For all its production of benefit, ironically scientific inquiry is probably the worst security method for our existence on the face of the earth than any other mode of inquiry we can imagine. With each jump in knowledge we arguably always advance our own destruction.
This is utter rubbish...our worst enemy on the the face of this planet is human ignorance and greed.
Science has been the sole contributor of improving peoples lives on planet earth. I am not talking about the damage the Industrial Revolution is causing or how it is used in war. I am strictly referring to the contributions that science has made towards human health as well as improving our understanding of our place in the Cosmos and the world around us.
Science has 100 fold improved our standard of living as well as our understanding about the world around us over the past 4 centuries over anything that religion has contributed.
When you look at the kind of wishful thinking that has propped up faith for millennia, there’s every reason to believe that a culture of faith is a culture of deception for children and of self-deception on the part of the adults. The one thing I can say with certainty is that these books show no sign of being authored by an omniscient intelligence, and that really is the only thing one need be certain about to torpedo Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The Bible and the Quran are deeply inadequate books on every level: scientifically, historically, medically, aesthetically, ethically, spiritually, contemplatively.
These are just not the best books we have on any topic, and they should be if they were written by the creator of the Universe.
People are finally awakening...shocking it has taken them this long.
Matadora, I would be interested to know what you think is causing this "long overdue" awakening.....
Ignorance, gullibility and peoples inability to overcome their conditioning/brainwashing is what has kept people from awakening sooner.
Science has helped us understand our place in the Cosmos as well the Universe and world we live in. More and more people are paying attention to science as well as using logic to think about religious myths. Many people are now beginning to connect the dots.
So science and logic have finally "broken through"?? When and how did this happen?
Can you please be more specific...this makes no sense from a scientific standpoint.
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