I'm tired of the gay marriage threads!

[mordant]

Originally Posted by DenverEN

Your freedom of religion stops where it violates my rights.

If I owned a restaurant, and you came in, and I had seen you in the news spouting your anti-gay views, and then I decided not to serve you because I was offended, then I'd be breaking the law. For the record, I would serve you because I wouldn't use my business to discriminate.

And because you would be obliged to serve the public without regard to your personal feelings about individual members of the public. Because if you did you would be attempting to control others ... which is rightly forbidden by law.

[jeffbase40]

Originally Posted by Wardendresden

How foolish a statement. If I were a prison warden opposed to the death penalty and was required to do so by court order what do you think would happen to me if I refused? I'd be fired.

What does that point have to do with gay people forcing themselves into Christian organizations? All you did was describe someone who took a job knowing the job requirements and then complained about the job requirements. Awful comparison.

Originally Posted by Wardendresden

As a citizen amongst the 40% who oppose the death penalty I am denied the right to sit on a jury of any homocide where the death penalty is up for consideration. Should I pout and cry that my rights AND the rights of the person being tried are undermined? I am a citizen and anyone being tried has a right to an impartial jury. How can a jury made up of those who support the death penalty be impartial? Should I insist that I be seated because MY rights are being violated.

Your position is inexcusable in terms of obedience to the law. Because the death penalty is supported by 60% of the people in the nation! the courts have determined I am unable to serve on juries where the death penalty is involved. My moral ethic is suppressed too.

Guess what. Live with it or move to Uganda.

This is still America and we have the right to protest laws that we feel are unjust. Telling me to deal with it or leave the country is arrogant, anti-American, and narrow minded.

[DenverEN]

Originally Posted by mordant

And because you would be obliged to serve the public without regard to your personal feelings about individual members of the public. Because if you did you would be attempting to control others ... which is rightly forbidden by law.

Yes, exactly!

[Snowball7]

I'm tired of it because everyone's just repeating the same opinion over and over
again in multiple threads.
I would support a boycott/moratorium on the SSM threads.

[jjrose]

Originally Posted by Snowball7

I'm tired of it because everyone's just repeating the same opinion over and over
again in multiple threads.
I would support a boycott/moratorium on the SSM threads.

Boycott away. No one is forcing you to click the thread.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Snowball7

I'm tired of it because everyone's just repeating the same opinion over and over
again in multiple threads.
I would support a boycott/moratorium on the SSM threads.

And yet here you are....

[Rotagivan]

There are gays who think that the whole thing is a sham where those couples wanting what the law gives to the religious are just sell-outs.

Marriage is a sham - a thing which people believe somehow consecrates and celebrate their union.

It is just a legal document. It has no power to make people love. Indeed it simply gives them legal right to enforce their possessive confused natures. It is a delusion to think that getting married somehow puts it out there that you are celebrating LOVE.

[Nozzferrahhtoo]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

Would you have made that same argument when sodomy laws existed? Don't like the law, well don't have sodomy! I don't care what the law says.

Clearly not, you have made it clear on many occasions you care little for the law and feel that you and others should be made exempt from parts of it for no other reason that what religious club you have joined.

But I at least have the courage of my convictions even if you do not. And I advocate following laws while working to have the struck off.

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

And you seem to think Christians should just light switch off their faith and beliefs as soon as they enter the business.

Yes, if their beliefs require that they break the law then they either need to switch them off at the door, or go out of business or get prosecuted. Their choice. But when they make that choice, lets not whine like you do when the law reacts accordingly.

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

No one should be punished for simply not wanting to violate their moral convictions.

No they should be punished for breaking the law, regardless of the reasons. No one but you appears to be buying the propaganda spin you are putting on this.

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

And that's what we are doing. First discussing why we feel the law is wrong and a violation of freedom of religion. But your side doesn't want to listen. You want to shut down discussion by just saying it's the law, follow it.

That is an outright and blatant lie from you. I have informed you on many occasions that I disagree with much of the law and would like to see it changed. So no, no shutting down of discussion there at all. You are just pretending conversation is being shut down to feed your ongoing false narrative. We NEED discussion on these laws, very much, but while it IS law.... follow it.

But time and time again you are not whining about the law, you are whining about the fact Christians are not exempt from it. Special pleading and the idea that you want one rule for you and yours, and one for everyone else, is what permeates every post you spew.

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

Telling me to deal with it or leave the country is arrogant, anti-American, and narrow minded.

That is rich coming from the guy who copped out of replying to my posts by declaring them irrelevant due to my not being an American.