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God's ultimate goal is to build an eternity where entities with freewill can live with Him forever. Since God is completely incompatible with sin. It's thus left with only 2 choices,
1. You are with God
2. You are not with God
There's nothing in between.
That said, eternal hell could well be a logical outcome.
From the design perspective, humans are to live an eternity but with a physical body which is decayable. Humans can recognize each other only through the physical body as an image. On the other hand, the physical body can't act as an eternal ID from the witnessing perspective. The continuity of an individual cannot be witnessed once the body is decayed. To simply put, humans need a permanent ID which is independent of the decayable physical body.*
That's why humans need a soul (immortality) which serves as the ID of an individual. Soul is thus capable of lasting forever, unlike the decayable body.
On the other hand, God is the only source of good. When a human soul leaves God, the only way he can go is to become evil. Without God's guidance, one can only go more and more evil. Satan actually sets such an example.
It is expected that hellfire will come when the souls of the wicked become unbearably evil, unless God gives out His grace to destroy the immortal souls.
However, God's promised grace is given out only through Christ but no other names. There might not be other form of grace for the destroying of those immortal souls. Plus that, God ever said the oath that "they can never enter my rest". There will be no rest for the wicked.
So if the above theological assumptions are correct, an eternal hell becomes a logical outcome. Plus that you are not anything superior to the angels. It’s by God’s mercy that Adam’s descendants are given the second chance to return to God.
God's ultimate goal is to build an eternity where entities with freewill can live with Him forever. Since God is completely incompatible with sin. It's thus left with only 2 choices,
1. You are with God
2. You are not with God
There's nothing in between.
That said, eternal hell could well be a logical outcome.
From the design perspective, humans are to live an eternity but with a physical body which is decayable. Humans can recognize each other only through the physical body as an image. On the other hand, the physical body can't act as an eternal ID from the witnessing perspective. The continuity of an individual cannot be witnessed once the body is decayed. To simply put, humans need a permanent ID which is independent of the decayable physical body.*
That's why humans need a soul (immortality) which serves as the ID of an individual. Soul is thus capable of lasting forever, unlike the decayable body.
On the other hand, God is the only source of good. When a human soul leaves God, the only way he can go is to become evil. Without God's guidance, one can only go more and more evil. Satan actually sets such an example.
It is expected that hellfire will come when the souls of the wicked become unbearably evil, unless God gives out His grace to destroy the immortal souls.
However, God's promised grace is given out only through Christ but no other names. There might not be other form of grace for the destroying of those immortal souls. Plus that, God ever said the oath that "they can never enter my rest". There will be no rest for the wicked.
So if the above theological assumptions are correct, an eternal hell becomes a logical outcome. Plus that you are not anything superior to the angels. It’s by God’s mercy that Adam’s descendants are given the second chance to return to God.
God's ultimate goal is to build an eternity where entities with freewill can live with Him forever. Since God is completely incompatible with sin. It's thus left with only 2 choices,
1. You are with God
2. You are not with God
There's nothing in between.
That said, eternal hell could well be a logical outcome.
From the design perspective, humans are to live an eternity but with a physical body which is decayable. Humans can recognize each other only through the physical body as an image. On the other hand, the physical body can't act as an eternal ID from the witnessing perspective. The continuity of an individual cannot be witnessed once the body is decayed. To simply put, humans need a permanent ID which is independent of the decayable physical body.*
That's why humans need a soul (immortality) which serves as the ID of an individual. Soul is thus capable of lasting forever, unlike the decayable body.
On the other hand, God is the only source of good. When a human soul leaves God, the only way he can go is to become evil. Without God's guidance, one can only go more and more evil. Satan actually sets such an example.
It is expected that hellfire will come when the souls of the wicked become unbearably evil, unless God gives out His grace to destroy the immortal souls.
However, God's promised grace is given out only through Christ but no other names. There might not be other form of grace for the destroying of those immortal souls. Plus that, God ever said the oath that "they can never enter my rest". There will be no rest for the wicked.
So if the above theological assumptions are correct, an eternal hell becomes a logical outcome. Plus that you are not anything superior to the angels. It’s by God’s mercy that Adam’s descendants are given the second chance to return to God.
An eternal Hell does not exist.
Revelation 20:13 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
This is convincing, however I don't think I buy the idea of an immortal soul.
1. God is immortal, and by extension we assume everything on the astral plane must be too, in order to exist there.
2. Mortal things exist on the spiritual plane, so we make a rental body to live there.
3. Mortal body will eventually crumble to dust. There isn't an issue of earning souls. You came with one.
4. All living things are with God because all living things are from God.
5. Given this, we either stay in the afterlife or have the ability to be reborn in another body. The only things that can really cut us off from God are actual malice towards other life, extreme isolation, and actively wanting not to exist anymore. And see It's A Wonderful Life for how that last one goes.
1: Yes. The Astral Universe - as vast and ancient as it is, is simple a holding place and is considered to be 'not real' by those not bound by it - but simply an illusion/simulation for the consciousnesses trapped within it.
2: Correct. Except the 'mortal bodies' last as long as the consciousness using them, want them.
3: Mortal body is like a suit which soul wears while experiencing the physical universe. Even a planet could be considered a 'mortal body' which a 'soul' (or collective of souls) could wear. We did not come with a soul we are a soul - specifically we are The Soul (collective of souls). Mind you I am referring to 'the soul' and 'consciousness' as one and the same thing.
4: All living things quintessentially are G()D.
5: There are other options which do not involve any need to return to the human experience within the physical universe.
There is even the option to free ride every level without getting trapped by any of them as a 'preferred reality'.
The idea is to reconnect with the Source and that the connection is relevant and permanent regardless of what reality we are experiencing.
The interesting difference being that we have experienced what it is like not to know our self as G()D (by forgetting our prior existence while within simulations of beginnings,) and then within those very simulations reconnecting to that awareness 'waking up to our selves' and thus awake, being able to view the experiences through different eyes - kind of a new creation of an old creator.
The 'cutting off from G()D' is really an illusion induced by the amnesia experienced through 'beginning' type simulations and while quite restrictive are not totally able to conceal an individual from that knowledge...even at a hypothetical level of understanding.
I sometimes think that driving the unbelievers crazy is half the intention.
When it comes to unbelievers it is not a drive, just a putt.
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I sometimes think that driving the unbelievers crazy is half the intention.
