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Old 08-15-2015, 06:03 AM
 
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No tryanny is being forced to do something against your will or be punished. That's what the clerk is facing.
Just like the "tyranny" I'm facing being "forced" "against my will" to get up and go to work and do my job if I want a paycheck. In other words, you don't have problem with this particular case, you have a problem with free-market capitalism. You want this country to be a socialist utopia where all are provided for equally no matter what their economic contribution to society or their employer.

That's great, but political rants against the man are off topic for this thread and this subforum. There's a politics one just around the corner if you want to debate this idea.
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Old 08-15-2015, 06:04 AM
 
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So I can stop serving Black people in my restaurants?
As long as you pretend you're religious you get to do anything you want. Anything else would be "tyranny", apparently.

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Old 08-15-2015, 06:12 AM
 
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If my boss suddenly came in and gave me a NEW job duty that violated my morals, you betcha I would protest.
And then after your protest was shot down in court, what next?
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Old 08-15-2015, 09:41 AM
 
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If my boss suddenly came in and gave me a NEW job duty that violated my morals, you betcha I would protest.
Let's keep in mind that this is not a new job duty the clerk has been assigned. She is merely being instructed to continue doing her existing job duties, but she has been instructed not to discriminate.

In addition to this, the issue of legality and discrimination has been extensively litigated. Virtually every court, including SCOTUS, has said that this is a legal requirement.
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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Let's keep in mind that this is not a new job duty the clerk has been assigned. She is merely being instructed to continue doing her existing job duties, but she has been instructed not to discriminate.

In addition to this, the issue of legality and discrimination has been extensively litigated. Virtually every court, including SCOTUS, has said that this is a legal requirement.
Except that this is a new form of marriage that has never been done previously in our country. The clerk would be willing to give a marriage license to someone regardless of their sexual preferences, but she just doesn't feel she can give one to 2 people of the same gender.
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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The ploy you're trying to use is a common one on the P&C forum.
"Why complain about this if you don't complain about that?"
First of all, that isn't usually any truer there than it is here.
The point is any of those other things aren't pertinent to this discussion about one particular issue.
You want to address what you keep trying to sneak in, go over to the P&C forum.
This thread is about an elected official picking and choosing what laws to obey based on conscience, right?

So how again is it not relevant?
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:21 AM
 
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Except that this is a new form of marriage that has never been done previously in our country. The clerk would be willing to give a marriage license to someone regardless of their sexual preferences, but she just doesn't feel she can give one to 2 people of the same gender.

It's the same duty, not a different one. Somewhat modified, but not greatly.

The clerk is a government employee, and the government rules are that same sex marriage is legal.

It's all good though. In time she will resign or be fired.
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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It's the same duty, not a different one. Somewhat modified, but not greatly.
In your opinion. But not in her opinion.
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The clerk is a government employee, and the government rules are that same sex marriage is legal.
She is an elected official. And she is doing what elected officials do in this country.
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It's all good though. In time she will resign or be fired.
You are very likely correct.
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:48 AM
 
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This thread is about an elected official picking and choosing what laws to obey based on conscience, right?

So how again is it not relevant?
No, it's not. It's about a county clerk refusing to obey an order from a federal judge. You know, contempt of court.
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Old 08-15-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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No, it's not. It's about a county clerk refusing to obey an order from a federal judge. You know, contempt of court.
Since so many fundamentalists lack even a basic knowledge of how our system works, they will probably not understand anything beyond, "But she's a Christian and it's gay marriage! "

They obviously believe they can ignore oaths, job requirements, SCOTUS decisions and orders from a federal judge. Special Snowflake Syndrome. It's no different from Paris Hilton thinking she didn't have to follow the law.
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