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Old 09-04-2015, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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yep. One night in the clink is no gauge for how she'd handle a longer confinement. Though she'd probably be sent to a Club Fed which isn't exactly Super Max.
One night in jail* was enough for me to realize I wouldn't want to make a habit of it.



* I asked if I could stay the night. I was 17 and broke. It was 3 in the morning, raining and bitter cold in a city where I didn't know anyone. The kindly cops obliged.
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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That may well be. But so what? She chose not to. Now she's being jailed over her personal religious convictions.




No one's being jailed for practicing her religion. Someone is being jailed for using the government to force others to practice her religion.
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:42 PM
 
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No one's being jailed for practicing her religion. Someone is being jailed for using the government to force others to practice her religion.
Due to her religious views she cannot issue them. Thus, she is being jailed on account of her religious beliefs.
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Due to her religious views she cannot issue them. Thus, she is being jailed on account of her religious beliefs.
No, if she can not do her job she can resign. She is being jailed for refusal to follow a court order to do her job, and thus is in contempt of court.

She holds the keys to her cell. The judge even told her that she personally would not have to issue any marriage licenses as long as the staff did, and Kim refused.
This is about her forcing others to act on her religious beliefs, and refusing to do her elected duties.
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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Due to her religious views she cannot issue them. Thus, she is being jailed on account of her religious beliefs.
Her religious views include believing she'll go to hell if she issues a wedding license to a same-sex couple and believing she has God's authority to tell people they cannot get married.

Interesting religion she's got there. She'll be able to practice it while she sits in the clink. She just won't be able to do the "tell other people they can't get married" part.

I think she should thank the judge. And the American judicial system. She won't be going to hell for issuing same-sex wedding licenses. She'll be in the clink where she'll be able to her Bible. A lot.
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Paradise
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Due to her religious views she cannot issue them. Thus, she is being jailed on account of her religious beliefs.

Her job is her choice. And her job conflicts with her religious beliefs. She should have quit her job. Her choice. She is being jailed because of her choices (much like anyone else, really).
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Old 09-04-2015, 01:01 PM
 
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Due to her religious views she cannot issue them. Thus, she is being jailed on account of her religious beliefs.
No she is not. Her religious views are irrelevant to the court. But ignorance reigns supreme among the religious would-be autocrats. They lost they power over others centuries ago . . . but they keep trying.
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No, if she can not do her job she can resign. She is being jailed for refusal to follow a court order to do her job, and thus is in contempt of court.
She holds the keys to her cell. The judge even told her that she personally would not have to issue any marriage licenses as long as the staff did, and Kim refused.
This is about her forcing others to act on her religious beliefs, and refusing to do her elected duties.
Amen. She is defying God's desire for voluntary compliance by forcing others. That can never be voluntary so it violates God's wishes.
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Her religious views include believing she'll go to hell if she issues a wedding license to a same-sex couple and believing she has God's authority to tell people they cannot get married.
Interesting religion she's got there. She'll be able to practice it while she sits in the clink. She just won't be able to do the "tell other people they can't get married" part.
I think she should thank the judge. And the American judicial system. She won't be going to hell for issuing same-sex wedding licenses. She'll be in the clink where she'll be able to her Bible. A lot.
Sadly, she exemplifies the evil inherent in religious autocracy . . . placing humans in the role of God. We are ONLY responsible for what WE ourselves do or do not do . . . NOT for what others do or do not do. Trying to prevent SSM is violating God's desire for voluntary compliance, period!
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Old 09-04-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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Due to her religious views she cannot issue them. Thus, she is being jailed on account of her religious beliefs.

I do not think that you understand the laws of our country, she cannot use her position as an elected government official to impose her religious beliefs on others, our Constitution guarantees that and as long as she refuses to do the job that she is elected to do or choose to resign from that position she is in contempt and the Supreme Court says so, that is why she is in jail, not because of her religious beliefs, but because she was trying to impose her religious beliefs on others. That is against the law.
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Old 09-04-2015, 01:20 PM
 
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I do not think that you understand the laws of our country, she cannot use her position as an elected government official to impose her religious beliefs on others, our Constitution guarantees that and as long as she refuses to do the job that she is elected to do or choose to resign from that position she is in contempt and the Supreme Court says so, that is why she is in jail, not because of her religious beliefs, but because she was trying to impose her religious beliefs on others. That is against the law.
Wait....elected officials can't impose their beliefs on others or refuse to enact the law? Really? You act as if that never happens.
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Old 09-04-2015, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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Wait....elected officials can't impose their beliefs on others or refuse to enact the law? Really? You act as if that never happens.

as an elected official for over 12 years, no I did not ever see that happen and I don't imagine that you have either.
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