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How did I hurt Josh? He brought this mess on himself. HE is the one that lied about gays. HE is the one that lied about transgendered people. HE is the one that put himself on a pedestal as some moral authority. HE is the one that molested his sisters. HE is the one that cheated on his wife.
HE is the one that caused himself harm.
Every one here including me talks as if we where not capable of hurting people . And we all know the truth to that .
That is how we are hurting him.
Every one here including me talks as if we where not capable of hurting people . And we all know the truth to that .
That is how we are hurting him.
I'm sure that we all have hurt someone or many someones in our lives. The difference is I own up to it and try to fix it, Josh, and some other Christians, Do the whole "sorry god" and all is forgiven their slate wiped clean.
You stated that morals change with time . That is a lie you adopted as an excuse .
God's morals never change .
So clearly, genocide, infanticide and rape are not wrong, according to you... Or God commanded Israel to sin. (See Numbers 31) Which is it?
There are a couple of other options. You can say that sometimes rape, infanticide and genocide are moral, but it is situational. That is, morality is relative not absolute... Are you going to take that route? Or you can argue that the Bible is not literally true in this case, that God did not command Moses to do these things, because God wouldn't do that.
To get past the "gotchas", in case you actually want to have a real discussion. If we look at history, we see a huge variety of moral positions that change over time and across cultures. Polygamy has been considered moral in many cultures and times. Slavery was considered moral from antiquity. Vigilante, clan based vengence was considered just. Infanticide was not immoral. Pederasty was considered moral, even desirable. We have countless sets of morality, based on every religious tradition in history, as well as secular, rational, and philosophical considerations.
You can argue that only one of these many incarnations of morality is correct, but then you are left with the task of demonstrating this. How can you prove that it is true? For that matter, can you even define the morality you do consider to be true? It is much harder than it seems...
I'm sure that we all have hurt someone or many someones in our lives. The difference is I own up to it and try to fix it, Josh, and some other Christians, Do the whole "sorry god" and all is forgiven their slate wiped clean.
It's good that you know it's not .
Jesus is not there fool and scapegoat .
They have not allowed hI'm to do anything in there lives .
He came to save us FROM our sin , not to save us in it.
Wrong again. Even us evil atheists have sexual morals. Your complaint is that we might throw out your sexual morals, which is an entirely different issue. Just because with disagree with your version of morality, doesn't mean we have none...
-NoCapo
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