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Old 08-30-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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LOL!!! I read the Bible meticulously and am still a man of faith. But the difference between me and the Duggar types is the difference between being a man of faith and a man of judgment about others.

I read an article over a year ago that said the surest way to make a liberal Christian is to have them read the Bible very carefully!!

We're gonna getcha, Areq, either in this life or the next!

Too soon to rep you again, but
I read the bible very carefully and became an atheist. The bible clearly teaches things that are impossible for an educated person to believe, like the ascension of Jesus, the creation and flood stories, and pretty much the entire book of Revelation.

I don't know how liberal Christians explain away these problems. But humans are very good at rationalizing the irrational beliefs that make them feel better, so I assume there is a whole industry dedicated to liberal Christian apologetics.
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Old 08-30-2015, 09:35 AM
 
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I read the bible very carefully and became an atheist. The bible clearly teaches things that are impossible for an educated person to believe, like the ascension of Jesus, the creation and flood stories, and pretty much the entire book of Revelation.

I don't know how liberal Christians explain away these problems. But humans are very good at rationalizing the irrational beliefs that make them feel better, so I assume there is a whole industry dedicated to liberal Christian apologetics.

Yes you do. You just don't like the way they approach the bible because it's not as easy to refute as the inerrantist, literalist view you and I were raised with.
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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Well, well. It seems that two of the Duggar family members have spoken about Josh to Entertainment Tonight. (Of course, they didn't reveal WHICH family members chose to speak up.)

‘Furious’ family members lash out at Josh Duggar: ‘I hope he gets broken in rehab
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Old 08-30-2015, 10:31 AM
 
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The bible clearly teaches things that are impossible for an educated person to believe, like the ascension of Jesus, the creation and flood stories, and pretty much the entire book of Revelation.

I don't know how liberal Christians explain away these problems.
You do know that millions of Christians don't take the Bible literally, right? And you do know that millions of Christians are educated in secular subjects... like science and history and archaeology, right? There is no need to explain away the Biblical flood story if you believe it's just that: a story.

If you were to run into a Samoan would you say, "Your flood story doesn't hold up to my scrutiny, so explain that! Gotcha!!"

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Old 08-30-2015, 12:08 PM
 
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Well, well. It seems that two of the Duggar family members have spoken about Josh to Entertainment Tonight. (Of course, they didn't reveal WHICH family members chose to speak up.)

‘Furious’ family members lash out at Josh Duggar: ‘I hope he gets broken in rehab

Good. Maybe they're not all robots, then. I wonder if the ones who have spoken up are part of Josh's immediate family.
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Old 08-30-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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The Daily Mail seems to be cautious about whether this is a good solution or not. However, if they really do get him to spend a lot of lot of time assiduously reading the Bible, some good may come of it. He may come out an atheist.
That gave me a chuckle. For all we know, he may already be an atheist who won't acknowledge it because Christianity is his gravy train. If he can figure out a way to make money off of being an atheist, he might do it. Were he to break with his family and write a kiss-and-tell book (pun intended), it would sell, but after that money runs out, he'll be back to having to make a living. He's 27 with a high school equivalency certificate, a wife and four kids to support. I don't think the atheists are going to rush to contribute to a gofundme campaign called "Help Josh Duggar be an Atheist." Any allowance from his family (out of "kindness to his wife and children") would be only enough to survive and closely monitored, i.e. no fun for Josh, and not enough to be worth renouncing his faith.

While I think it unlikely he's a closet atheist, if he is and is living a lie that permeates his life, it's just one factor that would contribute to his addictive behavior. It would also make it very difficult for him to get the help he needs. The "treatment" for his pedophilia was faith based, as is his current rehab. These aren't good places to explore doubts about god. Another possible difficulty for any remaining pedophile desires or actions are new laws in some states that require therapists to report any instances of pedophilia to authorities. This is an ongoing controversy within the therapeutic community. Some think it drives pedophiles who want help underground because there is nowhere they can discuss their urges and past actions while trying to get help, unless the abuse was long enough that the statue of limitations has passed.
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Old 08-30-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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Another possible difficulty for any remaining pedophile desires or actions are new laws in some states that require therapists to report any instances of pedophilia to authorities. This is an ongoing controversy within the therapeutic community.
There are NO licensed therapists at Duggar's treatment facility. Most of this "therapy" will consist of long hours of physical labor. Church is, of course, mandatory. He better have a large-capacity bladder because there are no bathroom breaks during church. I've no idea if the fundamentalists consider holding it in to be a super-duper help and a step towards recovery if you're addicted to porn.
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Old 08-30-2015, 02:28 PM
 
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There are NO licensed therapists at Duggar's treatment facility. Most of this "therapy" will consist of long hours of physical labor. Church is, of course, mandatory. He better have a large-capacity bladder because there are no bathroom breaks during church. I've no idea if the fundamentalists consider holding it in to be a super-duper help and a step towards recovery if you're addicted to porn.

This doesn't sound very promising, does it?
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Old 08-30-2015, 02:44 PM
 
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There are NO licensed therapists at Duggar's treatment facility. Most of this "therapy" will consist of long hours of physical labor. Church is, of course, mandatory. He better have a large-capacity bladder because there are no bathroom breaks during church. I've no idea if the fundamentalists consider holding it in to be a super-duper help and a step towards recovery if you're addicted to porn.
I know that. It's been mentioned several times in this thread and I didn't mean for my post to imply that there might be any licensed therapists where he is. Clergy are mandated reporters, at least in some places. Requiring a person not to discuss the particulars of their addiction means those being treated won't be revealing anything to a mandated reporter clergy person who in turn might have to disclose something to authorities. And that assumes any clergy there would take their legal duty to report seriously were they to be told about actual instances of child abuse. How convenient to keep treatment exclusively faith based and forbid discussion of particulars...

His current treatment is focused on porn, although no one has stated if it is a certain type of porn. If pedophilia is still part of his problem, could it be kiddie porn? Especially if he hasn't had access to quality therapy?

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Old 08-30-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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I read the bible very carefully and became an atheist. The bible clearly teaches things that are impossible for an educated person to believe, like the ascension of Jesus, the creation and flood stories, and pretty much the entire book of Revelation.

I don't know how liberal Christians explain away these problems. But humans are very good at rationalizing the irrational beliefs that make them feel better, so I assume there is a whole industry dedicated to liberal Christian apologetics.
You didn't become an atheist; we are all born atheist, in our natural state.
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