Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-06-2015, 11:18 AM
 
18,130 posts, read 25,282,316 times
Reputation: 16835

Advertisements

Why are churches always under budget?
What makes it worse is that a lot of this churches preach "Being financially responsible"
but I don't remember ever going to a church that wasn't under budget.

Do churches have a overspending problem?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-06-2015, 11:22 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
45,374 posts, read 60,561,367 times
Reputation: 60985
Umm, if they're under budget with their proposed spending that sort of means they're financially responsible in not spending what's been projected. So, by definition, they don't have a spending problem.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-06-2015, 11:34 AM
 
13,011 posts, read 13,045,846 times
Reputation: 21914
You probably mean over budget, as having spent more (over) their budgeted amount.

Several thoughts come to mind. Declining church attendance could equate to declining revenues. Financial mismanagement of course.aybe you only remember the churches that say they are over budget, and don't pay attention to the ones that have balanced budgets.

The cynical part of me thinks that they aren't really over budget, they simply cry wolf to shake the money out of parishioners pockets.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-06-2015, 03:07 PM
 
18,130 posts, read 25,282,316 times
Reputation: 16835
Looks like you guys are right.

Well, what I meant is that they are always short on money.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-06-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
23,856 posts, read 13,746,928 times
Reputation: 15482
Everyone is always short of money to do what they'd like to get done, except maybe Bill Gates.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-06-2015, 03:15 PM
 
6,961 posts, read 4,614,977 times
Reputation: 2485
Hard to believe when they do not pay property taxes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-06-2015, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
19,994 posts, read 13,475,998 times
Reputation: 9933
I have been to churches that live within their means. It's not rocket science.

I visited a local church for a concert recently and noted that they're flush enough to have a 100-rank pipe organ in a town with 30,000 permanent residents. I'm talkin' endowments, baby! All you need is 3 or 4 wealthy families and you're good to go.

It really depends ... small town churches that come into existence more because someone had doctrinal disagreements with the other 3 churches competing for the same 800 residents, tend to always be "up against it". Churches that actually have a sufficiently sized "market" to support it will do better.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-06-2015, 04:53 PM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
7,943 posts, read 6,065,872 times
Reputation: 1359
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dopo View Post
Why are churches always under budget?
What makes it worse is that a lot of this churches preach "Being financially responsible"
but I don't remember ever going to a church that wasn't under budget.

Do churches have a overspending problem?
You mean under funded. It's because "God" actually doesn't feed the birds of the air nor cloth lilies of the field.

It's because the organizers (Pastor and family, etc) most of the time think it's their "job" and they should be payed for it, not by the independent grace of God, but by the congregation (sometimes they think the congregation IS the body of the God they "wage-work" for). Some might be knowingly corrupt, others are accidentally corrupt because of their money-centered tendencies, and others aren't corrupt at all but use all the money legitimately. I think that last group should be helped to weed out the shame that comes from the first two.

Yet in every Church I've been to, they always need money from the congregation. The Catholic Church "happened" to need money to fix the air-conditioning in the "left side of the Church." A Protestant Evangelical Church needed funding for "local missions (gas money etc)" and "rent for the elementary school's cafeteria" and "seed investment"... Another Protestant Evangelical Church needed money for "Seed investment" "commanded tithes" "Church expenses" but that one's tax-free property was owned by a local rich man that owned half the town.

Saddam Hussein was given the "key to the city" of Detroit because he donated a vast sum of money to a local Christian denomination representing christian immigrants from Iraq.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-07-2015, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
88,569 posts, read 84,777,093 times
Reputation: 115083
We are always in a deficit at my church. Easy to figure out. Expenses exceed income. It's a small parish and most of the members are not wealthy. We pay our part-time priest a housing stipend only.

In addition, we willingly take a hit on some things for the sake of helping others. Example: five days a week, 12-step programs like A A and N A meet in our basement parish hall. Electricity for lights and air-conditioning, oil for heating, toilet paper, water, etc. use by the groups costs about $15k a year. They pass their baskets but addicts generally don't have a lot of money either so the total we get from them annually is around $3k. We'll eat that because we want them to have a place to meet to aid in their recovery.

We try to be creative. A landscaping firm bought the property next door and set up shop. They don't have enough parking space for their employees so we just cut a deal with them that they can park in the church lot during the week in exchange for doing our snow removal and putting the stones down on the lot in the spring. Snow removal last year was $3,600. This is a good savings.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-07-2015, 08:43 AM
 
13,754 posts, read 13,320,358 times
Reputation: 26025
Because members don't tithe. If they did that would never be a problem.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top