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Old 09-10-2015, 08:32 PM
 
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This show is run by Matt Dillahunty, who's a very articulate guy and I agree with a lot of what he says even if I am not an atheist. Watch him cream a fundamentalist screwball named Sy Ten Bruggengate who teaches presuppositionalism


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL8LREmbDi0
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Old 09-10-2015, 09:09 PM
 
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I've used it numerous times and never seen an atheist counter it.
That's because you don't understand them.
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Old 09-10-2015, 10:09 PM
 
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I've used it numerous times and never seen an atheist counter it.
Sure you have. But you don't understand the validity of the 'Don't know' argument. The presuppositionalist position that a god must be assumed where there is no real evidence either way is actually logically invalid, but the faithful never get their heads around that idea.

That is of course, just talking of a creating entity, not even any specific god. But that presupposition of an existing god as the only explanation of where everything came from is half of the theist argument. The other half is rubbishing the other gods and making Biblegod the only possible one.

This is all illogical and faith -based argument without any real evidence to support it. And argument from complexity/design is false and arguments from Bible accuracy/morality and the rest have also been countered. It's what we do But maybe you hadn't read the posts rather than just ignored them.
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Old 09-11-2015, 07:45 PM
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I've used it numerous times and never seen an atheist counter it.
Why don't you present the one you like and we will go from there.
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Old 09-12-2015, 03:40 AM
 
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Why don't you present the one you like and we will go from there.
Good idea. Let Vizio present his best arguments and we'll provide the counters. Then he can't say he'd never seen them, only that he didn't buy them.
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