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I do not agree with what's been stated by Eusebius. Bad things occur because we live in a sinful, broken world (Genesis 3). Where Christianity differs from Atheism is that Christianity offers help in the present and hope for the future, through Jesus Christ. Atheism offers "sucks to be you" and death.
Now, explain the benefits of Atheism, with regard to human suffering.
How dare you disagree with the great and powerful OZ!
If evil came into God's universe as a surprise to God, if it somehow snuck by Him and surprised Him, then evil is out of God's control and therefore God is no longer God.
Of course, Adam sinned and according to Romans 5:12, due to that one sin, death entered into all mankind
and due to this, all sin. Bad things happen because we have the dying process operating in us and due to
that process we sin. Bad things happen when we sin. But the buck stops with God for it was He Who
planted the garden. It was He Who made Adam and Eve flesh and soulish knowing full well in advance that
those in flesh are not able to please God and are not able to do His law. He laid down the law in the
garden: "Thou shalt not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil!" And the curse attached with
that disobedience was "to die shall you be dying." And God created that craftiest animal, the serpent and
placed it in the garden. God planted the forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden so they wouldn't
miss it on a daily basis. But God didn't stack the deck against them just to be the end of His plan. He
stacked the deck so they would sin, so death would enter into all mankind, so that He could bring about
the Saviour of the world, Jesus Christ.
I believe this scenario is much more loving than the believer in eternal conscious torment since it is God's
plan to save all mankind (1 Timothy 2:4-6) based upon what the Saviour of the world did at the cross.
If the claim is that the entity is omnipotent, all loving and omniscient, you bet. Otherwise, it is fake.
Big Brother appears to have all those characteristics yet we know they use their knowledge to defend our country against bad guys. So are they evil? Or would you rather they relinquish all their powers and let the enemy run roughshod over us?
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No. You first.
That is not the way it works.
As soon as you answer a question with a question, you show weakness on your side and perspectives. Thanks for acknowledging that you either don't know, or don't want to show you know.
It's deficiency is that it leaves no place for love of others, just concern that you not cause harm. My God IS agape love and we are to reproduce as much of it as we can in our brief lives. That is why Christ's two commands are superior, IMO.
Cognitive dissonance? Atheism is ignoring the obvious. Everything has a source. Why would life be different?
Everything has a source? Does that include your god? Or is he/she somehow exempt from this rule?
There's a lot of stuff we don't understand. How is the unknown evidence for a god? It seems like a complete non-sequitur to me. Unless the definition of "god" is "whatever is unknown."
Everything has a source? Does that include your god? Or is he/she somehow exempt from this rule?
There's a lot of stuff we don't understand. How is the unknown evidence for a god? It seems like a complete non-sequitur to me. Unless the definition of "god" is "whatever is unknown."
Everything has a source except for god, because that would really mess up his agenda.
"God did it". The reason for anything that a Christian doesn't understand. Someone died young? "God works in mysterious ways". Tornado? "God did it cuz of dem gays." Evolution? "Nah, God did it". A cloud that looks like Jesus? "God did it" etc etc
Sweetie, maybe if you stopped using the word 'accident' and used 'incident' in it's place it might make more sense to you....as it does with us.
There is no 'railing against god' , it's railing against the assumptions ( not always the same, BTW) you believers try to offer as THE TRUTH which has an affect, if not by way of legislation, then more importantly, in what the next generation believes.
Sweetie? Is that an attempt to belittle? Stick to the discussion please.
Incident. If it's not an accident, it has a source.
How does that change anything? Did this incident just happen "out of the blue"?
Everything has a source except for god, because that would really mess up his agenda.
Is it so far out of the realm of possibility that the creator is "above" the creation, and therefore does not require a source? A god is a god, after all.
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