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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
No, Pharisees are marked by the following:
1. Lack of compassion - you demonstrate this well here showing complete lack of concern about this man losing his source of income. No, he deserved severe punishment because he won't support homosexuality.
2. Being judgemental - you constantly rain judgement down on fellow Christians who are not looking to fight, but just stand up for our beliefs.
3. Egotistical or believing you are better more holy than others - That's you for sure. You cheer on enemies of God, rip apart the precious word of God, and put down Christians. If I was to go completely based on appearances, I would say you are an atheist. At best, you believe you are better than other Christians by ironically calling us Pharisees.
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Why don't you provide scriptural references?
I'll provide those my charge that YOU are the Pharisee--and a Capital one at that:
Matt3:9--A Pharisee glorifies in his connections with "godly" men.
(sounds like you and your "preachers, hmm?)
Matthew5:20 - A Pharisee glories in external righteousness.
(You judge the hearts of others because they were born the way they are)
Matthew 9:11- A Pharisee does not fellowship with unconverted people.
(Stick to your church, don't mingle with "sinners"--how many unbelievers are you bringing to your side here by idolizing scripture?)
Matthew12:2 - The Pharisees are very critical of others in small matters.
(Six verses in the bible have become your entire life--while ignoring the 3000+ about helping the poor)
Matthew 12:16 - The Pharisees live by rules they don't even keep their selves.
(So you want to tell another man's boss what he is allowed to do--but you aren't telling your own boss that you will do the same as the fired "christian.")
Matthew 12:24 - Pharisee are suspicious and assume the worst of others.
(Your assumption is that all homosexuals are evil and need to be preached at--I waited until you opened your typing lips to determine you haven't met Christ--only bible idolators.)
Matthew15:12-14 - A Pharisee is one who is easily offended.
(You are offended constantly---you've stated many others, not just me, on this VERY THREAD have offended you---should I go back and find each post where you made that charge against someone?)
Matthew 15:14 - Pharisees are spiritually blind. They don’t know where they are going.
(You don't see that the path you are on is only a quarter mile down the road from Westboro Baptist church)
Matthew16:6- A Pharisee is a hypocrite.
(Let's let others determine hypocrisy---you constantly state you have proof--but no one on this thread has acknowledged any "proof" you have provided. On the other hand, you constantly dismiss any opposing proof provided to you--just as you have done with the post I've quoted---as in
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I dismantled down your "proof".
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Matthew 15:8 - A Pharisee is hard hearted. Hearts are far from God.
(Failing to love your neighbor--ALL your neighbors--is hard hearted.)
Matthew 23:3 - Pharisee say things but don’t do them. And sit in the seat of Moses.
(On other threads you have made a false claim of "loving homosexuals." None have ever posted on any thread that they feel your "love." Two have pm'd me that they, too, believe you are a latent homosexual.)
Matthew 23:4 - Pharisees put heavy burdens on people.
(You state homosexuals may only live celibate lives--a horrible burden to place on any person--all of us being social and specifically interpersonal creatures)
Matthew 23:5 - Pharisees seek honor to be noticed by men.
(Your constant posts are you way of getting attention--perhaps to point out to your "preachers" how good a Kim Davis you can be.)
Matthew 23:15 - Pharisees make people feel they are born again when they are not. They make them double people of hell.
(Honoring people as "christian" because they hate homosexuals and condemn their "lifestyles" is simply sick)
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Actually I've eaten crow here a few times and admitted that I was wrong. People like you, never. You would chew your tongue off before confessing that gasp, you're wrong.
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Like when you quote material that proves the opposite of what you are trying to state? Yeah, we've seen that a couple of times.
This is what you don't get--on several occasions I've stated those six bible verses might very well be interpreted as you do--but the fact that they might very well be interpreted completely different is something you won't accept. I've openly stated that where verses can be interpreted two ways--one should pick the one that "loves their neighbor" first and foremost---you do the opposite.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
And I dismantled down your "proof". Yeah the man ran his mouth but he made a very public show of it, and it caused harm to his place of business. That's a far cry from a man simply sharing his faith and recommending a movie. Frankly, I find it alarming that someone claims to be a Christian and yet be firmly against a person sharing the gospel which is what we are called to do. You know, Chris may have lost his job and you cheer that on, but it's quite possible that this temporary consequence was worth it because seeds were planted in people that brought them to Christ. And maybe one day in the afterlife, these people will thank Chris for having the faith to share the gospel even when people like you want us to just shut up.
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In a recent bible study with seven others, there was a discussion on how to share the gospel in the workplace. The answer was "very carefully in a multicultural environment." And the conclusion was that while one may give non-verbal hints like wearing a cross or keeping a bible on one's desk--verbally one should share information ONLY if approached and questioned by another person. All the people at the study besides me, work at companies. Every single one stated that proselytizing at work is an unacceptable practice at their employment.
You've dismantled nothing--you've once again reinforced your hypocrisy (Matt. 16:6)
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
It is a private conservation vs a public video. You really think that's equivalent? The only way it would be equal is if Chris made a youtube video calling out these women as lesbians and telling them in the video that they are sinners. That's public shaming and I would probably even support him getting fired over something like that.
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It could hardly be considered "private" once it was reported to management. In addition, once he was asked to cease and desist he continued anyway--even stating he would do so (he should have been fired right then)---it was then a corporate policy that it should not happen.
I am happy to show your continued hypocrisy with your statement about "a youtube video calling out these women as lesbians" and saying that was wrong. Have you now come over to the other side with regard to the Oregon bakers who published on facebook about the lesbians asking for a cake? The lesbians didn't file suit until they began to be harassed by people who saw the bakers post.
Pure hypocrisy from you (Matt. 16:6)
I hope you send a few hundred dollars to this Chris who is obviously cashing in on Christ--or you can practice hypocrisy some more by supporting him with your lips rather than your wallet.