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If your god is so petty that he would send me to hell for the sole reason of not believing in him, then I will gladly skip heaven. I don't want to spend eternity with a tyrannical, homicidal, dictator.
If your god is so petty that he would send me to hell for the sole reason of not believing in him, then I will gladly skip heaven. I don't want to spend eternity with a tyrannical, homicidal, dictator.
Funny...but I've not made that statement. People don't go to hell for unbelief. They go to hell for sinning against God.
Funny...but I've not made that statement. People don't go to hell for unbelief. They go to hell for sinning against God.
Than according to that statement, I should be fine. If my little sins such as telling white lies, and thinking bad thoughts periodically are enough to send me to hell, then so be it. All my friends and family will be there anyways! Face it, your god would have no GOOD reason to send me to hell. On the other hand, if god is as you say he is, then I don't particularly want to spend eternity with him either.
What is "incredible" about his efforts? If he is truly as powerful as you say he is, couldn't he have just thought it and made it so? He didn't actually have to work for it, he just poofed us into existence. The fact that you think a god would think of things in human terms proves your logic is off Jeff. Why would a god even need to get mad? If he doesn't like something he could just end it and start over. No muss, no fuss. Again, why would a god even think like this? A true god would not hate or get angry. These are human characteristics.
Well maybe I am wrong. Maybe he did poof it all into existence. We are trying to reason things beyond our own understanding. In my mind, it would require a lot of mental effort to design the blue prints for thousands of species, many of which we are still discovering after all this time on earth.
Why can't God get mad? Just like He can feel love for mankind so much that He took a part of his being and became flesh and was tortured extremely.
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He can't coexist with sin? So he doesn't exist is what you are saying. People sin every single day, so therefore, he can't exist. That is from your mouth (or computer?). My morality does not come from your god. I don't need his book to tell me how to live my life. I live by a simple rule: don't hurt anyone/anything, help those in need, and just generally be a good person.
When I say co-exist, I mean exist in the same realm. This is why sinners who have not been renewed through Jesus Christ can not enter the kingdom of heaven. Your simple morality rule fails the moment you run into a pathway where each choice can cause harm.
Than according to that statement, I should be fine. If my little sins such as telling white lies, and thinking bad thoughts periodically are enough to send me to hell, then so be it. All my friends and family will be there anyways! Face it, your god would have no GOOD reason to send me to hell. On the other hand, if god is as you say he is, then I don't particularly want to spend eternity with him either.
Because he's an infinite God. He's existed for eternity, and he will exist for eternity. Why would he give a temporal punishment for an offense that is against an eternal being?
That is just a rational for an eternal punishment. Just because he is eternal does not mean that all punishments must be does it?
And if one does not believe in him they would not repend to him and you stated both that if you do not repent you will be punished for eternity but that he does not punish you for not believing. Once again religion is so confusing.
There cannot be a heaven if my dogs are not there and I know one of them would not repent and the little pot licker has lots she should repent for. Oh I forgot animals do not think only act on instinct (according to some Christians others say that dogs do go to heaven. It is so cut and dry what the rules are).
If your god is so petty that he would send me to hell for the sole reason of not believing in him, then I will gladly skip heaven. I don't want to spend eternity with a tyrannical, homicidal, dictator.
Which would be pretty dumb as you are faced with two possible alternatives, neither are pleasant:
1. Eternity in a literal hell - darkness, being alone, burning torment to the level of gnashing your teeth.
2. Eternal annihilation - eternal death means you are wiped out from existence, never to return.
If I thought there was even a tiny fraction of a chance that the Bible could be true, I would be out there interviewing pastors, researching healings, doing everything I can to find out for sure that it all bunk and there is no life after death. I would probably start with spending the night in abandoned sanitariums or cementaries to prove that there are no spirits or supernatural.
Which would be pretty dumb as you are faced with two possible alternatives, neither are pleasant:
1. Eternity in a literal hell - darkness, being alone, burning torment to the level of gnashing your teeth.
2. Eternal annihilation - eternal death means you are wiped out from existence, never to return.
If I thought there was even a tiny fraction of a chance that the Bible could be true, I would be out there interviewing pastors, researching healings, doing everything I can to find out for sure that it all bunk and there is no life after death. I would probably start with spending the night in abandoned sanitariums or cementaries to prove that there are no spirits or supernatural.
Pascal's Wager. I don't do things based on what could possibly be true. I also don't think your god, if he were real, would like you believing simply because the thought of not believing is scary. That really means that you don't believe. You just claim to out of fear.
Which would be pretty dumb as you are faced with two possible alternatives, neither are pleasant:
1. Eternity in a literal hell - darkness, being alone, burning torment to the level of gnashing your teeth.
2. Eternal annihilation - eternal death means you are wiped out from existence, never to return.
If I thought there was even a tiny fraction of a chance that the Bible could be true, I would be out there interviewing pastors, researching healings, doing everything I can to find out for sure that it all bunk and there is no life after death. I would probably start with spending the night in abandoned sanitariums or cementaries to prove that there are no spirits or supernatural.
Alternative 2 sounds like what will happen to all of us. That is what I thought when I was young and is what I think now that I am closer to being an old man. Not looking forward to being dead but not afraid either. In the meantime I will just continuing to live a life of being as good a person as I can.
Alternative 2 sounds like what will happen to all of us. That is what I thought when I was young and is what I think now that I am closer to being an old man. Not looking forward to being dead but not afraid either. In the meantime I will just continuing to live a life of being as good a person as I can.
As far as I can tell, being dead will be no different than before we were born.
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