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It is clear that even Grassi has been disappointed in the Pope's conflicted and often contradictory public statements about gay marriage and homosexuality.
No surprise that Davis and her cronies have made more of the meeting than is warranted, either.
Well that was a short honeymoon for the fundamentalists. Turns out Ms. Davis didn't get a private audience but the gay couple did. The Pope will no doubt return to being an idol worshiping, non-Christian who doesn't qualify for heaven..... instead of the new hero of the anti-LGBTQ crowd.
Well that was a short honeymoon for the fundamentalists. Turns out Ms. Davis didn't get a private audience but the gay couple did. The Pope will no doubt return to being an idol worshiping, non-Christian who doesn't qualify for heaven..... instead of the new hero of the anti-LGBTQ crowd.
I predict that there will be an obligatory period of denial and making hay from the event and repeating false representations as often as possible until some people at least start to believe them. Sort of like the event in Latin America, Argentina I think, which was a well attended rally of some sort for fundamentalist Christianity generally at which Davis may have gotten passing mention but which her handlers falsely implied and all but claimed was largely about her specifically.
At some point one of two things will happen. Either it will become the stuff of legend or if it is sufficiently discredited it will not be mentioned beyond a certain point and yes the pope will return to his default status of counterfeit Christian. It is strictly a function of whether or not they can keep mining it for faux credibility, combined with how shameless and fact free they are willing to be about it.
Well, now I am totally confused about what is going on. The one thing I can be sure of is that same -sex marriage is going to become accepted and neither Kim Davis or the Vatican is going to stop that.
Well, now I am totally confused about what is going on. The one thing I can be sure of is that same -sex marriage is going to become accepted and neither Kim Davis or the Vatican is going to stop that.
Agreed.
Although I predict (but alas, will unlikely be alive to witness whether I'm right) that within a couple of generations, the Catholic Church will no longer consider homosexuality a sin and may well sanction SSM.
Although I predict (but alas, will unlikely be alive to witness whether I'm right) that within a couple of generations, the Catholic Church will no longer consider homosexuality a sin and may well sanction SSM.
And will be putting on high profile SS weddings in cathedrals hoping to wipe out the stain and arguing that they were not really against SSM, but reacted badly to all the accusations of bigotry made by Gays - just as they put up a monument to Galilaeo and argued that it was his rudeness to the Pope rather than dogmatic rejection of his theory that led to ..well he wasn't persecuted at all - just told to go home and take a rest.
Oh I don't know. These are good people, doing what they feel they have to do to save a world sliding towards unblibical values.
They can say so as much as they like, but they are wrong and the world knows they are and is ignoring them. So what they believe doesn't matter. So they are trying to interfere and find ways of blocking what the rest of us have decided that some people can do. Not you, not me and certainly not the ones who don't want to. But those 'Good People' think that they are right in trying to prevent others doing what they want to.
Which is fine, if there is a good convincing reason. There isn't(1) , or there isn't any more. That is why their case has failed in spite of massive initial resistance. and it is why their screaming that their rights are being somehow curtailed by not allowing them to force their views on others is just losing them support.
And the last ditch attempt to scrape a point 'No compromise was offered' is also shown to be without foundation and is just dishonesty.
But these are not bad people. It is religion doing it to them.
(1) the natural fallacy, the Ick factor, dictionary definition of 'marriage', Supposed harm to society or family values, all failed. So the only line they have is the last one 'My religion says this is wrong, and so I have to force those views on everyone else'. That is absolutely what is going on.
Oh I don't know. These are good people, doing what they feel they have to do to save a world sliding towards unblibical values.
They can say so as much as they like, but they are wrong and the world knows they are and is ignoring them. So what they believe doesn't matter. So they are trying to interfere and find ways of blocking what the rest of us have decided that some people can do. Not you, not me and certainly not the ones who don't want to. But those 'Good People' think that they are right in trying to prevent others doing what they want to.
Which is fine, if there is a good convincing reason. There isn't(1) , or there isn't any more. That is why their case has failed in spite of massive initial resistance. and it is why their screaming that their rights are being somehow curtailed by not allowing them to force their views on others is just losing them support.
And the last ditch attempt to scrape a point 'No compromise was offered' is also shown to be without foundation and is just dishonesty.
But these are not bad people. It is religion doing it to them.
(1) the natural fallacy, the Ick factor, dictionary definition of 'marriage', Supposed harm to society or family values, all failed. So the only line they have is the last one 'My religion says this is wrong, and so I have to force those views on everyone else'. That is absolutely what is going on.
Many of them aren't good people, but rabid extremists!
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