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Old 09-25-2015, 09:04 PM
 
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Very few understand Karl Marx philosophy. He thought that the poor worked hard all their life to support the rich and had no chance to better themselves and he was right. He searched for a way to equal things out. His ideas didn't work but he had good intentions.
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Old 09-25-2015, 10:45 PM
 
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Sorta like Zeppo.
And Gummo.
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Old 09-26-2015, 05:13 AM
 
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Very few understand Karl Marx philosophy. He thought that the poor worked hard all their life to support the rich and had no chance to better themselves and he was right. He searched for a way to equal things out. His ideas didn't work but he had good intentions.
I agree. He was a lovely little thinker with the best of intentions. He meant well and wanted to right very evident wrongs. He is not the only Philosopher to have had some good ideas and insights but who concocted a theory or system that was open to debate.

And he is not to blame for what ended up as the soviet union. How often these horrors seem to Hi -jack laudable events - the Spanish inquisition and conquistadores out of the expulsion of the Muslims, the religious wars out of the reformation, The French Revolution into the Terror of the directory, the Bolsheviks hi -jacking the Liberal revolution in Russia, the communists skilfully using the war with japan to Hi -jack the republic, the attempt to Hi- jack the Muslim Spring by the extremists - succeeding horribly well in Syria.
Marx - indeed, the ideals of communism - are not to blame with what ended up with Stalin, Pol pot and all the rest of the Dogmatic authoritarian Great leaders, any more than Darwin is to blame for the Nazi eugenics programme.
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Old 09-26-2015, 05:23 AM
 
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Default jim jones had a plan too...

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Well when Christianity goes or is kicked out then it will be the end of time for the earth and the people in the earth ........ See Jesus has a plan and this plan is victory and there will be a time at the end of time where God will say ``ENOUGH`` .... See God will have a hard time bringing and end as it is His very creation which God created , and He will end it on His time

How did that work out for him?

You sound very sure of your deity...curious..are the victims of a tornado met with silence when they start thinking vey hard(preying)? Your deity must be very angry when a tornado survivor gives the glory to god, yet his neighbor and their kids next door cant speak cause hes laying under a tree that your god allowed to fall on the kids nursery and squish them all....

You sound like a victim of magical thinking....
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Old 09-26-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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Later in life, Groucho started to attend a synagogue, probably to please Erin Fleming (qv), who had converted to Judaism. Groucho seems to have had no religious belief throughout his life: his son, Arthur, was at one time sent to Sunday school to please the boy's maternal grandmother, and after enquiring as to the day's lesson, Groucho systematically explained why he didn't believe any of it. Arthur was married in a Jewish ceremony, where his father asked the officiating clergyman "Is it true you fellows breed like rabbis?" When taken to a mystic by, as he put it, "an early wife", Groucho expressed total disbelief in the concept of the hereafter. The meeting was centred around a woman who, once in a trance, welcomed questions of any sort. "What's the capital of North Dakota?" asked Groucho, before being thrown out.
For Groucho, his lack of faith in life after death was confirmed by an understanding he had made with Chico and Harpo, in that whoever died first would, in the event of an afterlife, make every effort to contact those remaining on earth. "So far I have not heard from them" he said later.


Now I know why Eusebius fell about laughing when I mentioned N Dakota.
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Old 09-27-2015, 01:23 AM
 
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Later in life, Groucho started to attend a synagogue, probably to please Erin Fleming (qv), who had converted to Judaism. Groucho seems to have had no religious belief throughout his life: his son, Arthur, was at one time sent to Sunday school to please the boy's maternal grandmother, and after enquiring as to the day's lesson, Groucho systematically explained why he didn't believe any of it. Arthur was married in a Jewish ceremony, where his father asked the officiating clergyman "Is it true you fellows breed like rabbis?" When taken to a mystic by, as he put it, "an early wife", Groucho expressed total disbelief in the concept of the hereafter. The meeting was centred around a woman who, once in a trance, welcomed questions of any sort. "What's the capital of North Dakota?" asked Groucho, before being thrown out.
For Groucho, his lack of faith in life after death was confirmed by an understanding he had made with Chico and Harpo, in that whoever died first would, in the event of an afterlife, make every effort to contact those remaining on earth. "So far I have not heard from them" he said later.


Now I know why Eusebius fell about laughing when I mentioned N Dakota.
Marx's family was Jewish. Groucho's mother was Miene "Minnie" Schoenberg, whose family came from Dornum in northern Germany when she was 16 years old. His father was Simon "Sam" Marx, who changed his name from Marrix, and was called "Frenchie" by his sons throughout his life because he and his family came from France. Minnie's brother was Al Schoenberg, who shortened his name to Al Shean when he went into show business as half of Gallagher and Shean, a noted vaudeville act of the early 20th century. According to Groucho, when Shean visited he would throw the local waifs a few coins so that when he knocked at the door he would be surrounded by adoring fans. Marx and his brothers respected his opinions and asked him on several occasions to write some material for them.- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groucho_Marx
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Old 09-27-2015, 04:15 AM
 
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Indeed. I gather that all of the Marx brother were Jewish even though Harpo was the only one who seems to been actually a believer in the religion.
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Old 09-27-2015, 05:14 AM
 
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I don't know, but I do believe that religion is based upon society. Look at how different societies (ie Christian vs Muslim) can interpret the same ancient book.

A person's religious faith is based upon their cultural upbringing, and nothing more. Their religious text has zero influence on their beliefs.
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