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Someone believes that I have been posting vile and disgusting comments about Christians on these forums. If I have I am unaware of doing so. I am soliciting your comments and examples of me doing so in order to mend my ways if I am indeed guilty of that or to be able to be content to ignore the accusation if my fellow posters do not think I have posted vile and disgusting comments about Christians.
Thanks and be honest about it either wsy.
I wrote a letter to my father in law calling him, quite respectfully and gently, actually, on his egregious, manipulative BS towards his daughter / my wife, several years ago. He has refused to speak to me in any capacity, ever. When I finally corralled him on the phone to try to clear the air and establish common ground, he railed against me for my "vile, disgusting" letter, which, by the way, I would be unashamed to share with anyone, and still stand by ... and which he had never acknowledged much less responded to, until I forced it on him.
So this kind of charge doesn't just come from theists (my F.I.L. is himself an unbeliever), it comes from anyone who wants to divert from whatever morally and/or factually untenable position they hew to. If they can "show" that your words are inherently reprehensible then they don't have to address the actual points you make or substantiate any of the claims they make. It is a game where they pretend not to dignify your thoughts with a response, when in fact they are simply hiding from them.
You just have to develop a thick skin about this sort of charge and move on down the road. The most I ever do is simply invite them to be specific: what, exactly, was said that is vile or disgusting, and how is it so? Perhaps put it in less subjective terms -- what was untruthful, or attacking personhood rather than ideas? But it is very, VERY seldom that they will even TRY to dial it in like that. They prefer to just repeat the charge of "icky! icky! eewwww! unthinkable! unspeakable! disgusting!". Which is just a histrionic way of saying "don't EVER question what I say or do or mean in any way shape of form".
And actually this is what many religious folk are accustomed to: unearned deference and respect for their beliefs, and absolutely NO need to compete on a level playing field in the marketplace of ideas. Indeed, they regard THEIR ideas as SO elevated as to be inherently without competitors. How sad for them to discover otherwise!
the net has crazy people on it. "vile"? you want vile, go to another major a-site. those guys are children that were abused and grew up. I haven't seen "vile" here on CD. the admins do a good job.
Just to clear up I was not hurt by the comment but surprised. I simply do not want to be vile or disgusting and if I am I would change. I did not think I have been but someone else seems to think I have been.
Just to clear up I was not hurt by the comment but surprised. I simply do not want to be vile or disgusting and if I am I would change. I did not think I have been but someone else seems to think I have been.
As Richard Feynman's mother used to tell him, "What do you care what other people think?"
Just to clear up I was not hurt by the comment but surprised. I simply do not want to be vile or disgusting and if I am I would change. I did not think I have been but someone else seems to think I have been.
You have not and have never been vile and disgusting.
Someone believes that I have been posting vile and disgusting comments about Christians on these forums. If I have I am unaware of doing so. I am soliciting your comments and examples of me doing so in order to mend my ways if I am indeed guilty of that or to be able to be content to ignore the accusation if my fellow posters do not think I have posted vile and disgusting comments about Christians.
Thanks and be honest about it either wsy.
The difficulty is distinguishing between what is acceptable vs. what is vile and/or disgusting. It is subjective which warrants an explanation if one is engaging in dialogue. I'll give two examples of things I consider acceptable that others will find vile and disgusting. Both have to do with sexuality, a favorite topic of many self-proclaimed Christians on this board.
Vile? Here's my practical response to churches who want to make early abortions illegal, especially those institutions who want to criminalize them. Every couple of childbearing age should take the woman's used sanitary napkins and tampons to the priest/pastor/minister/Talking Head in Charge and ask this person bless them in case they contain a dead baby. There is high rate of miscarriage during early pregnancy when couples don't know the woman was pregnant. The couple can simply explain that they're bothered by the thought of throwing a dead baby in the garbage or flushing it down the toilet without praying together with their spiritual leader. My motive for wanting to see people do this is political. Those who preach life begins at conception should address early miscarriage and have to deal with the practical, bloody (pun intended) mess of their preachings, instead of dumping it on the woman while legislating her body.
Disgusting? Breastfeeding in public--without shrouding the baby in relative darkness with a blanket--is considered feeding one's baby by some and a disgusting display of sexual anatomy by others. The breast being used for its utilitarian purpose must be covered in public if there's any peak at a nipple because seeing a nipple makes it unacceptably sexual. Carl's Junior's soft porn commercials are okay, and never mind there are many Madonna con Bambino portraits with Jesus nursing an open breast. Breastfeeding is the most healthy way to feed a baby and recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics.
I don't expect anyone reading this who thinks my examples are vile and disgusting to respond. Responses to sexuality themed issues rarely get down to the nitty gritty, not so much because the moderators consider the discussion to have crossed a line, but because their arguments tend to fall apart or they're simply uncomfortable confronting sexuality unless it's on a superficial level.
You're also not going to get your accusers giving examples because offering specific examples would be too close to giving a working definition that could later be used against them and because they don't want their bluff called.
Someone believes that I have been posting vile and disgusting comments about Christians on these forums. If I have I am unaware of doing so. I am soliciting your comments and examples of me doing so in order to mend my ways if I am indeed guilty of that or to be able to be content to ignore the accusation if my fellow posters do not think I have posted vile and disgusting comments about Christians.
Thanks and be honest about it either wsy.
Personally I haven't seen anything. If the accusation comes from the person I think it does , he has also accused me privately of posting lies on the fired Christian thread. I have challenged him to come back to that thread and publicly point those lies out, but so far
* crickets chirping*
I never make the mistake of worrying what people I have no respect for think of me. If I wouldn't give a crap about their praise, I don't give a crap about their condemnation.
Personally I haven't seen anything. If the accusation comes from the person I think it does , he has also accused me privately of posting lies on the fired Christian thread. I have challenged him to come back to that thread and publicly point those lies out, but so far
* crickets chirping*
I never make the mistake of worrying what people I have no respect for think of me. If I wouldn't give a crap about their praise, I don't give a crap about their condemnation.
I think we are on the same page. It is not the person who accused me that I am interested in if my posts are vile but the general forum users. Like i said I do not think I am the sort to post vile and disgusting but just want to be sure.
As Richard Feynman's mother used to tell him, "What do you care what other people think?"
my pop said it aint any of my business what they are thinking, just do your job.
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