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Old 10-06-2015, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Bad day, aural? You might want to go smoke a little weed and chill.
who/what created their god? Stupids -=- Their god of gog? I shouldn't tell them? They don't know the Lord. Why shouldn't we just eat them up? Maybe tomorrow for supper? They don't look as good as O Trout though, do they?


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Old 10-07-2015, 07:41 AM
 
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It is the "all" of the context of Daniel. All mankind who ever lived from Adam to the last person will not be resurrected for Christ's millennial kingdom.

AS the millennial kingdom is ending then the rest of mankind will be resurrected to stand before the great white throne. Believers were resurrected prior to the thousand year reign of Christ.
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What is the basis for this belief?
Thank you for asking.
Daniel was an Israelite prophet who wrote to the Israelites. This is what he wrote to his people:

Daniel 12:1-2 In that era shall stand up Michael, the great chief, standing over the sons of your people.
Then comes to be an era of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation on the
earth, till that era
. Now in that era your people shall escape--all those found written in the scroll." (2)
From those sleeping in the soil of the ground many shall awake, these to eonian life and these to reproach
for eonian repulsion."

Daniel is writing about Jacob's trouble also known as their great tribulation in this color. "Your people" are the Israelites. So we can read the ellipsis "Israelites" in this: "all those [Israelites] found written in the scroll will escape." Then the ellipsis here would be "From those Israelites sleeping in the soil of the ground many shall awake, these to eonian life and these to reproach for eonian repulsion." Notice it says "many shall awake" not "all mankind shall awake.

But in Revelation, 1000 years later, the Great White Throne comes up, and all on the earth, minus believers, must appear before it and be judged.
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Old 10-07-2015, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Airport City
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The words of Samuel? According to the Bible, they are the words of God.

1 Samuel 15:2 (the verse immediately preceding 1 Samuel 15:3)

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. KJV

Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: I have considered what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Darby.

This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. NIV.

Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt. NASV.
The wording is kinda confusing, either way whether the words were inspired by The Most High or was directly from The Most High, it was for his covenanted people who were at war during that time, you think they were suppose to turn the other cheek? No that's not how it works Petunia.
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Old 10-07-2015, 09:11 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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The wording is kinda confusing, either way whether the words were inspired by The Most High or was directly from The Most High, it was for his covenanted people who were at war during that time, you think they were suppose to turn the other cheek? No that's not how it works Petunia.
Actually, according to Jesus it does work that way--

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
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Old 10-07-2015, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Airport City
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Actually, according to Jesus it does work that way--

But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
People take that out of context, he was referring to Hebrew on Hebrew relations, not other nations.
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Old 10-07-2015, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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People take that out of context, he was referring to Hebrew on Hebrew relations, not other nations.
Yeah. If a non-Hebrew slapped Jesus, he'd kick him in the nuts.
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Old 10-07-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Thank you for asking.
Daniel was an Israelite prophet who wrote to the Israelites. This is what he wrote to his people:

Daniel 12:1-2 In that era shall stand up Michael, the great chief, standing over the sons of your people.
Then comes to be an era of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation on the
earth, till that era. Now in that era your people shall escape--all those found written in the scroll." (2)
From those sleeping in the soil of the ground many shall awake, these to eonian life and these to reproach
for eonian repulsion."

Daniel is writing about Jacob's trouble also known as their great tribulation in this color. "Your people" are the Israelites. So we can read the ellipsis "Israelites" in this: "all those [Israelites] found written in the scroll will escape." Then the ellipsis here would be "From those Israelites sleeping in the soil of the ground many shall awake, these to eonian life and these to reproach for eonian repulsion." Notice it says "many shall awake" not "all mankind shall awake.

But in Revelation, 1000 years later, the Great White Throne comes up, and all on the earth, minus believers, must appear before it and be judged.

After reading your passages on this topic, I see how it could be taken that way.
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Old 10-07-2015, 01:49 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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The wording is kinda confusing, either way whether the words were inspired by The Most High or was directly from The Most High, it was for his covenanted people who were at war during that time, you think they were suppose to turn the other cheek? No that's not how it works Petunia.
Yes, I agree, that is not how the God of the Bible works. He is a God of war, vengeance, rage, etc. Jesus said to turn the other cheek, but Jesus is nothing like God.
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Old 10-09-2015, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Airport City
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Yes, I agree, that is not how the God of the Bible works. He is a God of war, vengeance, rage, etc. Jesus said to turn the other cheek, but Jesus is nothing like God.
Once again, he is a God that has a covenanted people, the Hebrews. Like Thor for the Vikings or Brahma for the Hindus. Jesus/Yahusha was without sin, meaning he followed the law/Torah from birth to death, which is why he says "only through me will you know the Father" meaning his example, also there were more teachings that were covered up and taken out of the Bible for political reasons of combining pagan and sacred religions in the Byzantine Empire.
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Old 10-09-2015, 09:31 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Once again, he is a God that has a covenanted people, the Hebrews. Like Thor for the Vikings or Brahma for the Hindus. Jesus/Yahusha was without sin, meaning he followed the law/Torah from birth to death, which is why he says "only through me will you know the Father" meaning his example, also there were more teachings that were covered up and taken out of the Bible for political reasons of combining pagan and sacred religions in the Byzantine Empire.
So on the one hand, He created all people but only chose a few with whom to make a covenant, the rest can just be slaughtered, whatev. On the other hand, He is love.

That's my whole point. He is not love.
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