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Out of your 11,000 posts, how many of them contain actual substance compared to post like this one, which are simply childish 'Nuh-uh's... I'm guessing very very few.
and God can be glorified on countless other planets, by countless other life forms too
God is infinite
don't limit God or his creations
they can also have holy books on their planets and be worshipping god too
again, don't make yourself more important than God
(and from what i understand about life forms on other planets, and their relationship with the Divine, they are a lot farther along than we are, a lot more advanced, a lot more peaceful; they are what we are growing towards if we can get our act together and not destroy our own planetary home)
Are you speaking of the Judeo-Christian God as revealed in the Scripture or just a generic god?
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I rest my case.
Can't rest what you didn't have in the first place.
The mentally weak person either accepts literally what the Bible says (fundamentalist), no thought required. Or rejects it without proof (atheist), no thought required. If you do either, offer proof or be dismissed as weak minded.
i have to agree it is the easy way out to say "God does not exist" end of discussion
or "if someone can prove it then i'll believe" end of discussion
or "it's fate or luck, nothing beyond the physical" end of discussion
or "when you're dead you're dead, that's all there is" end of discussion
or "i used to believe but now I don't" end of discussion
or "i don't have a soul, it is made up" end of discussion
that is a lazy approach
it dismisses and avoids dealing with, learning about, exploring, grappling with the "big questions"
nothing wrong with that, but yes it is taking the easy way out, and yes it is lazy
The Gospels are historically unreliable because they were written by unknown authors, because we have no original manuscripts, and because they've been translated so many times that the original meanings are likely unrecognizable.
We have over 25,000 extant manuscripts of the New Testament, with the earliest dating back to the first century. With such a mass of historical evidence, we can see that there was zero doctrinal evolutions of the text and that the Scripture I hold in my hand right now, is the same text that was written 2,000 years ago. We have more than enough physical evidence that we can say with certainty that we know what was contained in the original writings.
i have to agree it is the easy way out to say "God does not exist" end of discussion
or "if someone can prove it then i'll believe" end of discussion
or "it's fate or luck, nothing beyond the physical" end of discussion
or "when you're dead you're dead, that's all there is" end of discussion
or "i used to believe but now I don't" end of discussion
or "i don't have a soul, it is made up" end of discussion
that is a lazy approach
it dismisses and avoids dealing with, learning about, exploring, grappling with the "big questions"
nothing wrong with that, but yes it is taking the easy way out, and yes it is lazy
Why would you want to believe anything without proof? Believing without proof is the epitome of laziness, by accepting what one wants to believe instead of following where the evidence leads.
Why is it logical to believe anything exists beyond the physical without any empirical evidence?
Why believe anything happens after death since there is no evidence to suggest otherwise?
Changing one's beliefs when evidence convinces one otherwise demonstrates intellectual honesty, otherwise one is guilty of confirmation bias.
Without evidence of a soul, why should one believe otherwise?
Believing anything simply because one wants it to be true is illogical, intellectually dishonest, and yes intellectual laziness.
We have over 25,000 extant manuscripts of the New Testament, with the earliest dating back to the first century. With such a mass of historical evidence, we can see that there was zero doctrinal evolutions of the text and that the Scripture I hold in my hand right now, is the same text that was written 2,000 years ago. We have more than enough physical evidence that we can say with certainty that we know what was contained in the original writings.
These claims have been debunked earlier in this thread. Historians and even theologians dispute these claims. Who wrote the text you are holding in your right hand?
Why would you want to believe anything without proof? Believing without proof is the epitome of laziness, by accepting what one wants to believe instead of following where the evidence leads.
Why is it logical to believe anything exists beyond the physical without any empirical evidence?
Why believe anything happens after death since there is no evidence to suggest otherwise?
Changing one's beliefs when evidence convinces one otherwise demonstrates intellectual honesty, otherwise one is guilty of confirmation bias.
Without evidence of a soul, why should one believe otherwise?
Believing anything simply because one wants it to be true is illogical, intellectually dishonest, and yes intellectual laziness.
If your significant other told you there was a hungry mountain lion in your house, would you believe them?
Why would you want to believe anything without proof? Believing without proof is the epitome of laziness, by accepting what one wants to believe instead of following where the evidence leads.
Why is it logical to believe anything exists beyond the physical without any empirical evidence?
Why believe anything happens after death since there is no evidence to suggest otherwise?
Changing one's beliefs when evidence convinces one otherwise demonstrates intellectual honesty, otherwise one is guilty of confirmation bias.
Without evidence of a soul, why should one believe otherwise?
Believing anything simply because one wants it to be true is illogical, intellectually dishonest, and yes intellectual laziness.
it's not about saying "i believe this or that" based on what anyone tells you, or on what you read, you have to explore and participate yourself. when a person does not, they are lazy.
in being willing to explore those areas, I am able to verify them for myself. the exploration and learning never ends, because the learning is infinite and there are always more questions. it is not my job to prove anything to anyone else, that is meaningless and a waste of time. it is very much my job to live in the big questions and explore them myself. this i have done and continue to do decade after decade. it is utterly engaging, exceedingly practical, and delightfully fun
what is lazy is to say "i believe this" and stop, end of discussion
or "this can't be true" and stop, end of discussion
or "that doesn't make sense" and stop, end of discussion
it is a process. not a smug "i have the answer and you are a stupid retard because you can't prove your claims" which is utterly stagnant. it is also stagnant to sit and demand proof, demand to be convinced. do it yourself!
it's not about saying "i believe this or that" based on what anyone tells you, or on what you read, you have to explore and participate yourself. when a person does not, they are lazy.
in being willing to explore those areas, I am able to verify them for myself. it is not my job to prove anything to anyone else, that is meaningless and a waste of time.. it is very much my job to live in the big questions and explore them myself. this i have done and continue to do decade after decade.
So, what evidence have you uncovered in your "exploration" that convinces you of what you believe?
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