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Old 10-12-2015, 06:55 PM
 
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The rabbi is wrong.

Bene-elohim is Sumerian/Akkadian. Catholic bibles often translate it as the "sons of heaven" which is so far out of whack as to not even be funny.

The phrase bene-’elohim (sons of gods) appears only 5 times in the Old Testament: twice in Genesis 6 (the Deluge account – demonstrating that it is based on the original account written by the Sumerians/Akkadians) and three times in Job.

The Akkadian phrase El Shaddai appears 31 times in Job, more than any other book and more than all other books of the Old Testament combined. That, plus the fact that Job is a difficult book to translate and study, due to the extraordinary number of foreign loan words and phrases attests to the origin of Job as proto-Semitic and NOT Hebrew.


Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the "sons of gods" came to present themselves before Yahweh, and satan [the adversary/the accuser] also came among them. (that text has been appended at some point, because it does not appear in any of the earlier Job stories).

The fact that bene-elohim appears in the flood story attests to its proto-Semitic origins as well.
I didn't know you were Jewish?....
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Old 10-12-2015, 07:04 PM
 
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The rabbi is wrong.

Bene-elohim is Sumerian/Akkadian. Catholic bibles often translate it as the "sons of heaven" which is so far out of whack as to not even be funny.

The phrase bene-’elohim (sons of gods) appears only 5 times in the Old Testament: twice in Genesis 6 (the Deluge account – demonstrating that it is based on the original account written by the Sumerians/Akkadians) and three times in Job.

The Akkadian phrase El Shaddai appears 31 times in Job, more than any other book and more than all other books of the Old Testament combined. That, plus the fact that Job is a difficult book to translate and study, due to the extraordinary number of foreign loan words and phrases attests to the origin of Job as proto-Semitic and NOT Hebrew.


Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the "sons of gods" came to present themselves before Yahweh, and satan [the adversary/the accuser] also came among them. (that text has been appended at some point, because it does not appear in any of the earlier Job stories).

The fact that bene-elohim appears in the flood story attests to its proto-Semitic origins as well.

בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים

בְנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים


Two different words used in those verses...
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Old 10-12-2015, 07:14 PM
 
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I forgot about the Book of Giants in the Qumran Scrolls.

4Q203, 1Q23, 2Q26, 4Q530-532, 6Q8

Those are the text numbers for anyone who wants to look them up.


Also the Book of Enoch teaches it.

The only complete Book of Enoch is contained in the Ethiopic Missionary Text, but there are fragments of the Book of Enoch in the Qumran Scrolls.
You should do a little more research on the book of Enoch...
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Old 10-13-2015, 12:09 PM
 
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That sight is either being deliberately deceptive or doesn't do thorough research...
Wait. What? An apologetics ministry site being deliberately deceptive or didn't do thorough research? Well...I am so surprised, you could knock me over with a feather. I'll alert the media.
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