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You mean the belief that the Holy Bible is a work of fiction, there is no God, no life after death, no hope, you are just a pinball bouncing around and hoping to the fake spagehtti gods that the random deck of cards doesn't give you a lousy hand like Charlie Sheen when he found out he had HIV. Your loved ones could suddenly just not exist anymore and become worm food.
Yes, please tell me that believing in that kind of reality would prevent someone from committing suicide.
So what does this have to do with what I posted? It addressed nothing I said. How would it prevent it? The thought that all you have is this life, for me, is a pretty convincing reason not to. How would believing in an invisible deity that tortures mankind prevent someone from committing suicide? Delusions are powerful, Jeff. If someone needs delusions to live their life, more power to them. I don't have to cling to delusions to make it through the day.
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If you ignore the Bible, where's the difference? You are just as capable of ignoring it in a state run lodge vs a private one.
If you ignore the Quran, where's the difference? If you can ignore the Satanist Bible, where's the difference? If you can ignore the porno, where's the difference? If you can ignore the erotic novel, where's the difference? If you can ignore the Bhagavad Gita, where's the difference? If you can ignore the God Delusion, where's the difference........
The difference, is that a STATE RUN institution shouldn't be endorsing a certain religion. I know you aren't capable of understanding this difference, but please, try to join the rest of the thinking men/women.
You mean the belief that the Holy Bible is a work of fiction, there is no God, no life after death, no hope, you are just a pinball bouncing around and hoping to the fake spagehtti gods that the random deck of cards doesn't give you a lousy hand like Charlie Sheen when he found out he had HIV. Your loved ones could suddenly just not exist anymore and become worm food.
Yes, please tell me that believing in that kind of reality would prevent someone from committing suicide.
Wow...playing the Charlie Sheen card! I'll bet you've been waiting to do that since the moment you heard his announcement.
Charlie Sheen's health has nothing to do with this this topic.
Germany is a pretty bad example of religious freedom.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are denied tax benefits. Some Muslim religious groups are denied PLC status, thereby denying them the ability to benefit from Germany's church tax arrangement. There is state sponsorship of institutions of some religions, but not others: The German government subsidizes Christian kindergartens, schools, hospitals, old-age homes, and charities. Germany also subsidizes institutions aimed at fostering Jewish culture heritage and other work to restore Jewish community. However, subsidies are limited to Christian and Jewish institutions. Another example of Germany's lack of religious freedom.
Muslims are denied equal protection from baseless surveillance - in other words, there is a presumption of guilt that trumps religious freedom. Imagine if fundamentalist Christians were subjected to that in the United States, on the basis of the fact that there are extremists among them. The petty nature of the institutionalized religious persecution of Muslims in Germany includes the banning of the wearing of headscarves in some German states.
Jews are still occasionally the targets of neo-Nazi groups in Germany, even though such groups are banned. (That one cuts both ways, doesn't it - the prevalence of intolerance directed as Jews, on the one side, and an outright ban on antisemitic speech, on the other side.)
That's true but we do owe it to humanity to at least try to enlighten theists. Well, OK, we don't really care but we do care when fundamentalists try to impose on society.
Talk about who is imposing whose will on society. Lately all I hear in the new is Atheist imposing their will to have the Bible taken out of schools, prayer taken out of schools including taken out of school sports. Making courts take down signs. Making graveyards for soldiers take down all the crosses. And on and on it goes. It used to be in America that the majority ruled via voting, you know, the democratic society? Now the whiners and little people try to make the majority do what they want.
Give us something "positive" and I will post it on my blog..though it is far from an atheist liberal blog.
How about Christians and Christian organizations giving billions and billions of dollars to feed the poor, clothe the poor, etc. etc. etc.? I wonder how much money atheist organizations have given to do the same?
Germany is a pretty bad example of religious freedom.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are denied tax benefits. Some Muslim religious groups are denied PLC status, thereby denying them the ability to benefit from Germany's church tax arrangement. There is state sponsorship of institutions of some religions, but not others: The German government subsidizes Christian kindergartens, schools, hospitals, old-age homes, and charities. Germany also subsidizes institutions aimed at fostering Jewish culture heritage and other work to restore Jewish community. However, subsidies are limited to Christian and Jewish institutions. Another example of Germany's lack of religious freedom.
Muslims are denied equal protection from baseless surveillance - in other words, there is a presumption of guilt that trumps religious freedom. Imagine if fundamentalist Christians were subjected to that in the United States, on the basis of the fact that there are extremists among them. The petty nature of the institutionalized religious persecution of Muslims in Germany includes the banning of the wearing of headscarves in some German states.
Jews are still occasionally the targets of neo-Nazi groups in Germany, even though such groups are banned. (That one cuts both ways, doesn't it - the prevalence of intolerance directed as Jews, on the one side, and an outright ban on antisemitic speech, on the other side.)
bUU, there's something simple you need to understand.
If you want equal rights, you have to earn them.
Transgender people, after years of bullying, mistreatment, and sometimes violent murder, because the public believes them to be creepy types that walk in while women are changing and peek on them (they seriously just want to pee). Or some sort of sinners that are an affront to God. The advice given to transgenders trying to work and live their lives successfully, is "don't become the monsters people think you are". Given that transgenders are killed frequently in extremely violent ways, this means they have to be better behaved than the general population, and put up with some BS in a world that needs to change their minds about them. I lose it a little every time I read an article about "boys" using the women's bathroom.
The public perceives Muslims as monsters too (indeed, there are incidents like Paris). So? Rather than bemoaning this, you and other Muslims need to prove them wrong. Do everything in your power to work towards the improvement of society. Be an ideal worker, an ideal citizen, and a credit to your community. Germany sees at least 30% unemployment rate of Muslims (who they help plenty, through welfare), and thinks "why the hell should we help these slackers?" Respect isn't given. It's earned.
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