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Old 11-17-2015, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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If it prevents even just one person from committing sucide, how can you call it a waste? Yes, it's the 21st century and there are a lot of lost people out there who wouldn't have any motivation to actively go out and seek the Bible. If they stumble on it in a hotel room then there is a chance they will pick up the book and read it.

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And if even one suicide occurred because the bible was in the room, would you be in favour of removing all of them from every hotel?
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Old 11-17-2015, 11:40 AM
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Location: Florida
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I already knew that about Jefferson's Bible. However he deeply believed in Christianizing the American Indian and worked toward that end.
As he got older, he attended churches of my religion, not yours. I suspect any attempt to leverage Jefferson will not bode well for Christianity.
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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For all their blustering, atheists will never be able to get rid of God, or His Holy Spirit in believers hearts. In the long run, they are totally powerless, and will accomplish nothing of lasting value.
That's true but we do owe it to humanity to at least try to enlighten theists. Well, OK, we don't really care but we do care when fundamentalists try to impose on society.
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Hamburg, Deutschland
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Who the hell reads books in a hotel room anyway? If you check into a hotel, you are travelling, and if you are travelling, can't you find better things to do at your destination than hole up in a hotel room and read the Bible?
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Baldwin County, AL
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And if even one suicide occurred because the bible was in the room, would you be in favour of removing all of them from every hotel?
Oh don't go making his brain explode, Trout!

I am sure he will just make up some excuse to say that the Bible wasn't the cause. We all know that he is far to biased to care about somebody who killed themselves BECAUSE of his holy book. We also all know that he probably doesn't care about those who he CLAIMS has been "saved" by Gideon Bibles. He is just using that to say they should stay. We all know too, that he would not want other holy books in the same hotel room.

Point is, he is a hypocrite.
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Baldwin County, AL
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Who the hell reads books in a hotel room anyway? If you check into a hotel, you are travelling, and if you are travelling, can't you find better things to do at your destination than hole up in a hotel room and read the Bible?
Exactly. When I rent a hotel, it is usually for the sole purpose of sleeping and showering. Personally, as an agnostic, I could not care less if there is a Gideon Bible in the room. I won't be looking at it anyways. There is a difference in it being in a private hotel room, and it being in a "state run lodging", however, and this seems to be where Jeff and his cohorts can't seem to understand very simple reasoning.
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:56 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I already knew that about Jefferson's Bible. However he deeply believed in Christianizing the American Indian and worked toward that end.

And of course where would we be without Chuck Norris' writing on Thomas Jefferson wanting the Bible taught in public schools:
Should the Bible be part of public education?

Jefferson wanted Bible in school?
Because at best he thought it was a good moral law guide. Not because he believed in Christianity. Ignorance or dishonesty Eusebius? Which is it with you? Tell me? I'm curious.
Chuck Norriss seems to skip over Jefferson's desire that Greek, Roman and European law be given to the pupils in school and acts like he was interested only in teaching them the Bible.

This isn't much to do, anyway with the issue of Bibles on state owned property, the separation of church and state and what the founding fathers intended. A leap to Bible in school (and it isn't necessary now as a moral code - in fact I think today it is realized that it is more of an immoral code) is simply a change of subject.
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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When I last was in Germany, I saw a big cross on a dining room wall of the Bavarian hotel I was staying in. Evidently nobody there demanded that it be taken down. In other countries a cross on the wall or a bible in a hotel room is a non-issue. Only in the US both Christians and atheists get their panties in a knot over things like that.

It may be that Americans push their rights in either direction more than people in other countries. At least from my point of view from the outside .
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:05 PM
 
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Oh don't go making his brain explode, Trout!

I am sure he will just make up some excuse to say that the Bible wasn't the cause. We all know that he is far to biased to care about somebody who killed themselves BECAUSE of his holy book. We also all know that he probably doesn't care about those who he CLAIMS has been "saved" by Gideon Bibles. He is just using that to say they should stay. We all know too, that he would not want other holy books in the same hotel room.

Point is, he is a hypocrite.
You mean the belief that the Holy Bible is a work of fiction, there is no God, no life after death, no hope, you are just a pinball bouncing around and hoping to the fake spagehtti gods that the random deck of cards doesn't give you a lousy hand like Charlie Sheen when he found out he had HIV. Your loved ones could suddenly just not exist anymore and become worm food.

Yes, please tell me that believing in that kind of reality would prevent someone from committing suicide.
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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Exactly. When I rent a hotel, it is usually for the sole purpose of sleeping and showering. Personally, as an agnostic, I could not care less if there is a Gideon Bible in the room. I won't be looking at it anyways. There is a difference in it being in a private hotel room, and it being in a "state run lodging", however, and this seems to be where Jeff and his cohorts can't seem to understand very simple reasoning.
If you ignore the Bible, where's the difference? You are just as capable of ignoring it in a state run lodge vs a private one.
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