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So what? You may be the majority, but you aren't the only. This is the problem you guys have. You are unable to see anything from outside your own bubble. You don't give a rat's butt about people with differing beliefs. Placing Bibles, and only Bibles, is most certainly an endorsement.
I like how you and Jeff both ignore that question, too.
Look, if there is a "Gideon" equivalent organization of Muslims or of Buddhists or of Satanists or of Zoroastrians or of Wiccans -- or of Atheists --who want at their own expense and through their own effort to place THEIR sacred books in motel rooms, I have no objection to that …
What I do not accept is that there are certain required *zones* in society in which persons are to be somehow temporarily *stripped* of their religious faith, whatever it is ...
Look, if there is a "Gideon" equivalent organization of Muslims or of Buddhists or of Satanists or of Zoroastrians or of Wiccans -- or of Atheists --who want at their own expense and through their own effort to place THEIR sacred books in motel rooms, I have no objection to that …
What I do not accept is that there are certain required *zones* in society in which persons are to be somehow temporarily *stripped* of their religious faith, whatever it is ...
What utter nonsense.
How is your religious faith being stripped from you by there not being a Gideon Bible in your room? Could you not bring you own if it is that important to you? You, as a person, are free to go about your religion in any way you see fit. No one is stopping you from bringing your Bible into government run places are they? If they are, please let us know, as we would all be on YOUR side in that argument.
How is your religious faith being stripped from you by there not being a Gideon Bible in your room? Could you not bring you own if it is that important to you? You, as a person, are free to go about your religion in any way you see fit. No one is stopping you from bringing your Bible into government run places are they? If they are, please let us know, as we would all be on YOUR side in that argument.
Well our faith involves sharing the gospel, but people like you want to put up borders in public to make it difficult and eventually impossible. The Gideon Bible may be the only time a suicidal person randomly encounters the Bible and makes a decision to read it. But in the interest of protecting against some imaginary harm, they would have no hope and just end it right there.
Exactly … So if the "Gideons" want to provide them, how is anyone harmed … ???
Asked and answered several times.
If you jump into the middle of a thread and neglect to read what has already been discussed then that's your fault. Stop being so lazy and catch up with what you missed.
If you jump into the middle of a thread and neglect to read what has already been discussed then that's your fault. Stop being so lazy and catch up with what you missed.
Yes - we get this regular ploy to get religious privilege maintained. A possible suicide being saved through reading a Gideon Bible does not make up for the real and serious reasons to push religion back where it belongs - in the church and the home. And the other one 'Who is it harming?' is in the same package as not worth making a fuss about.
Then why is such a fuss being made about it? Just keep the Bibles out of Government hostels - no more fuss.
Well our faith involves sharing the gospel, but people like you want to put up borders in public to make it difficult and eventually impossible. The Gideon Bible may be the only time a suicidal person randomly encounters the Bible and makes a decision to read it. But in the interest of protecting against some imaginary harm, they would have no hope and just end it right there.
Does not having the Bible in the room keep you from sharing your faith?
I seriously doubt that there are all these suicidal people checking into hotels and reading Bibles like you seem to think. However, you could say this about anything. You could say, "The Atheist Pamphlet may be the only time a suicidal person randomly encounters the Atheist Pamphlets and makes a decision to read it." Hell, you could say, "The Cat in the Hat may be the only time a suicidal person randomly encounters Dr. Seuss and makes a decision to read it", or the Quran, or Satanist Bible, or any book in the world. How does that change anything?
Yes - we get this regular ploy to get religious privilege maintained. A possible suicide being saved through reading a Gideon Bible does not make up for the real and serious reasons to push religion back where it belongs - in the church and the home. And the other one 'Who is it harming?' is in the same package as not worth making a fuss about.
IOW, the "New Atheists" DO want to push "Religion" completely OUT of the public square ...
Yeah that is where I get irked. YOUR need to share with ME is... just not ok. You don't get to choose what I get shared. *I* do. That is part of MY religious freedom. When it is unwelcome, by the way, it isn't sharing. It is intruding.
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