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Old 11-24-2015, 08:27 AM
 
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Oddly enough, I tend to agree with Vizio on this one. I'm not sure I would rely on a business website for expert commentary on the bible.


I will agree but at the same time, are we to agree with someone who is believer? It's like posting a biased website to prove ones point.
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Old 11-24-2015, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Eastern Oregon.
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That is a very interesting claim. The gospels don't say Jesus was God himself just a son of God. But since (on Christian dogmatic faith) Jesus IS God, the gospels have been fiddled by Satan to conceal the truth.

Wow.
Naturally, I can't prove Jesus was God, but there is some material to work with. If you read those prior gospels you find Jesus sayings that are in the gospels. However, you find no narrative stories. In particular, you find no references to Jesus being the son of God. Those claims came about thirty years later, they were made by leaders of the Jesus movement to generate interest. From those prior gospels, I have inferred Jesus may have been God. I cannot use my own experiences about it, because, of course, I have no religious authority, just my word. What I dreamt was Jesus (God) was brutally murdered by Roman soldiers. The dream about his murder was very graphic. Jesus was on his knees as a husky Roman soldier beat him with his fist. Standing near by was another Roman soldier watching. I am therefore convinced Jesus was God. Satan has had fun with the Christian story. Assuming there is no son of God, we have about 2000 years of false Christian doctrine. The son of God would therefore be a pagan God. Satan loves pagan gods.

I know this is sensitive territory, but I must mention it. I believe Satan convinced Mohammad and others that Allah was God, not the OT Lord. Furthermore, Islam advocates attacking and killing Jews and Christians. There are five verses in the Koran that tell Muslims to do that! We know from history and what is going on now with radical Islam that Jews and Christians are targets for Jihadists. Satan would do anything to mess things up for God and his chosen people.
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Old 11-24-2015, 09:24 PM
 
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I like this thread, it states what I have thought about for many years. Christians would say the New Testament and interpretations changed because of the Holy Spirit. How convenient. If you question what I say, you have offended the Holy Spirit! It is as if advertisers got ahold of a new product. Well, naturally, it's popularity would vary, maybe it would disappear from stories. Well, marketing specialist would find new slogans and themes to keep the product alive. That is what happened to Christianity. Now, we have evangelists and smart preachers twisting and turning gospels ideas and themes to convince believers.

I have presented an argument for God being Jesus and not the son of God. There is no son of God, just twelve angels in heaven and Satan, the fallen angel. Isn't it interesting that thirteen is an unlucky number? I wonder where that came from? If what I say is true, it explains a lot about the many discrepancies. I know I am correct, but I can't prove it. Assuming, however, I am correct, Jesus was God and, after giving testimony to his chosen people, Roman soldiers brutally murdered him. When Jesus declared his divinity he threatened the Emperor. Also, there was no crucifixion. Jesus lay on a dirt road for three and one half days before ascending into heaven. Revelation 11 about the two witnesses may be the true story about Jesus, it certain fits with regard to God's duality. The original and final religion for God is Judaism. I am not a Jew, but if I had a choice Judaism would be my religion. Judaism has avoided marketing ploys to gain converts because Jews know their God is the Lord of the Old Testament. The OT Lord doesn't change or developed marketing ploys to attract converts. Either you accept Him or you reject Him. "I am who I am" said the Lord. God will never change because He is perfect.

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Old 11-24-2015, 11:19 PM
 
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The Bible has been changed and altered over the years - Business Insider

Yes, it is true. The bible keeps changing, and no one knows what it really was suppose to have included, especially the NT.

But then, those of us who have actually studied it from a non-religious perspective have known that for a very long time. It might be worth for others to listen to the video.
Professor Bart Erhman did an extensive research on this topic and raised some logically valid points in a scholarly way where it doesn't sound as aggressive as the OP. Some well contested videos on YouTube if u fancy to watch one.

However, each to his own. If someone is in the quest of finding God, and what he finds in the bible is what talks to him then he puts his faith into it.

And if someone, after using his intelligence, research and careful analysis, doesn't find God in Bible, then he moves on and looks somewhere else. We all don't think or perceive things alike - so there will never be all Christians or no Christians.

The idea, IMO, is, if we have a desire to find God, then we should use our intelligence, perform our research on different religions and carefully analyze its scriptures to see what, if any, talks to us? And then take a well researched and well informed decision based on free will.

And in the end, we will be responsible for the choices we made based on free will.

Person A telling person B to follow a certain faith, or person X telling person Y that my faith is better than yours, is a fruitless endeavor.

However, it all starts with the desire of finding God.

If someone doesn't have the desire, then anything told to him about God is useless.
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Old 11-24-2015, 11:53 PM
 
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Professor Bart Erhman did an extensive research on this topic and raised some logically valid points in a scholarly way where it doesn't sound as aggressive as the OP. Some well contested videos on YouTube if u fancy to watch one.

However, each to his own. If someone is in the quest of finding God, and what he finds in the bible is what talks to him then he puts his faith into it.

And if someone, after using his intelligence, research and careful analysis, doesn't find God in Bible, then he moves on and looks somewhere else. We all don't think or perceive things alike - so there will never be all Christians or no Christians.

The idea, IMO, is, if we have a desire to find God, then we should use our intelligence, perform our research on different religions and carefully analyze its scriptures to see what, if any, talks to us? And then take a well researched and well informed decision based on free will.

And in the end, we will be responsible for the choices we made based on free will.

Person A telling person B to follow a certain faith, or person X telling person Y that my faith is better than yours, is a fruitless endeavor.

However, it all starts with the desire of finding God.

If someone doesn't have the desire, then anything told to him about God is useless.



What would one feel that there is a desire to find a god? And which god?
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Old 11-26-2015, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Eastern Oregon.
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The issues has been raised that if you are curious about God, seek Him out. Then, the question has been asked, what God, or gods. Then, there are those who say the Bible is bunk. Well, if you seek God, or gods, were do you look. Obviously, you might look in the Bible where there is a long discussion about the OT lord and His son, Jesus. This really gets confusing because no one has any evidence, it's all based on faith. I am stuck with the Bible, it seems to be the best source for seeking God.

In the meantime, happy thanksgiving everyone. By the way, are turkeys religious?
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Old 11-26-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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The issues has been raised that if you are curious about God, seek Him out. Then, the question has been asked, what God, or gods. Then, there are those who say the Bible is bunk. Well, if you seek God, or gods, were do you look. Obviously, you might look in the Bible where there is a long discussion about the OT lord and His son, Jesus. This really gets confusing because no one has any evidence, it's all based on faith. I am stuck with the Bible, it seems to be the best source for seeking God.

In the meantime, happy thanksgiving everyone. By the way, are turkeys religious?
What about:
  • Koran
  • Avesta
  • Bhagavad Gita
  • Egyptian Book of the Dead
  • Vedas
  • Kojiki

As sources for your quest?
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Old 11-26-2015, 07:27 PM
 
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Or do like I did, take a college course on world religions.
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Old 11-26-2015, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Eastern Oregon.
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Obvious you people are not in the holiday spirit. What is wrong with wishing people happy thanksgiving?

I suppose your reply to "Merry Christmas" would be how do Muslims and other religious groups celebrate the birth of their gods? What are their holidays? How utterly stupid and disrespectful of anyone who is in a holiday mood. In the future, I'll remember not to post a cheerful word on this forum.

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Old 11-26-2015, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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The issues has been raised that if you are curious about God, seek Him out. Then, the question has been asked, what God, or gods. Then, there are those who say the Bible is bunk. Well, if you seek God, or gods, were do you look. Obviously, you might look in the Bible where there is a long discussion about the OT lord and His son, Jesus. This really gets confusing because no one has any evidence, it's all based on faith. I am stuck with the Bible, it seems to be the best source for seeking God.

In the meantime, happy thanksgiving everyone. By the way, are turkeys religious?
Happy thanksgiving to you.
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