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OK? And I personally have no issue with many different churches. There are probably 15 decent churches in my little town I'd feel comfortable going to. Some Baptist, some not.
The problem I have is that an organization like WBC is the fringe group that preaches a message that no one else believes. In 2000 years, no reputable scholar has read the Bible to believe that America replaces Israel as God's people. EVERY major denomination in America disagrees with them on that point.
If only you and your 35,000+ sub-sects could get along!
It may well be. I haven't studied the WBC. Or the Phelps. I just file them under Extremist Fundie Knobs.
Hate always shows it's face, and when a Christian is so freaking cruel to do what those people do in the name of Jesus is understanding how the cruisades took place. I will always stand up for everyone's opinion, but when you show up at a funeral of a dead soldier or dead gay person, you done went too far and you need to go to jail.
Having an opinion is one thing, even if that opinion makes you believe that everyone is going to hell but you, that is just fine, I am willing to give everyone their right to believe as they believe, but in real life, when you treat people with unkindness and cruelty, you need to be called out, and although I am all about free speech, to show up at a funeral with signs telling the public that God hates the gays or soldiers or anyone else, those people should be punished just from intent.
Intent, it is actually everything, your intent proves your guilt or innocence, and those people come with an intent to hurt people. EVEN IF you believe somebody is going to an imaginary hell, why would you hate them?
If you really believed a person was going to hell to be tormented forever, should you come up and taunt them before the thrones have even been set in place? The thrones will be set in place and judgment will come, and the judgment will be against those who judged in unforgiveness and intolerance.
Those people hate, and I don't understand this, instead of showing the least bit of human compassion of the death of sombebody and the survivors, these people come to the gravesight and taunt the survivors that the victim will be tormented forever.......
That is something to think about, I mean, what are they thinking?
It's like a gang of rapists and murders of children and women brought charges against those they raped and killed and now they wanted the judge to punish their victims.
Their victims will also be standing there in silence while the judge listens to the plea of the murderers while the murderers have no doubt in their mind that the judge is going to award them damages.
It is going to be a shock, and while I say that I wished I could be there to see their faces, I know the victims will see their faces.
And still, I don't see them going to hell, but as people who came through the outer court to then walk in the holy place where they had no right, and then they even walked into the holy of holies to sit in the most grand seats of honor to then be escorted out while their victims were escorted in. How shameful it is to walk in with arrogance to think you have the seats of great honor only to be shamed and led out in the eyes of the multitude. You walk in thinking it is all about you because you hated better than anyone.
And I think you misrepresent us, to suggest that we just "leave it to God".
Yes, I get you. I think that you use human morality just as we do. But the idea is that the morality is there, given by God. It isn't seen as a human construct that humans -and nobody else - is responsible for getting right.
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Originally Posted by TroutDude
If only you and your 35,000+ sub-sects could get along!
Yes, I get you. I think that you use human morality just as we do. But the idea is that the morality is there, given by God. It isn't seen as a human construct that humans -and nobody else - is responsible for getting right.
If they did, it would make our job a lot harder.
Your "job" is to fight against a lot of nice people who do a lot of good in the world, including things that benefit you and sustain your life. Most Christians oppose the Westboro Baptists, but you oppose those mainstream Christians and lump them all together as one Enemy.
It seems like you would oppose the same homosexuals and US soldiers that the WBC oppose, if they happen to be Christians. That's what your extremism looks like to me.
Your "job" is to fight against a lot of nice people who do a lot of good in the world, including things that benefit you and sustain your life. Most Christians oppose the Westboro Baptists, but you oppose those mainstream Christians and lump them all together as one Enemy.
It seems like you would oppose the same homosexuals and US soldiers that the WBC oppose, if they happen to be Christians. That's what your extremism looks like to me.
You take this matter so personally (which explains a lot of your posting) that you project the same mindset onto me. I have nothing to say about people, nice or nasty, and what they do is a separate issue from the claims of Christianity and the the drive to make Christianity (or indeed any other religion) the basis of law, education, society and politics. That's what I'm fighting. Not people.
And I think you misrepresent us, to suggest that we just "leave it to God".
When you make it about "what God says" rather than what makes sense and about what hurts or does not hurt people what WOULD you call it but "leave it to God?"
When you make it about "what God says" rather than what makes sense and about what hurts or does not hurt people what WOULD you call it but "leave it to God?"
When you make it about "what God says" rather than what makes sense and about what hurts or does not hurt people what WOULD you call it but "leave it to God?"
Aren't you the guy that tells me over and over again it's not about what is written but about the inner feelings you get from Jesus?
It seems like you would oppose the same homosexuals and US soldiers that the WBC oppose, if they happen to be Christians. That's what your extremism looks like to me.
You are aware that many christians, not aligned with WBC have expressed a lot of hate and committed atrocities toward homosexuals and others with whom they disagree?
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg
Aren't you the guy that tells me over and over again it's not about what is written but about the inner feelings you get from Jesus?
EXACTLY Now THAT would NOT just be leaving it to God would it? It would be working out what God's love we share would have us doing.
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