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Old 08-26-2016, 12:14 PM
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Originally Posted by Rafius View Post
Perhaps you should ask your god who you claim designed us 'intelligently'.

So would we if we didn't wear shoes.

No they wouldn't. Quite the opposite actually. I walk around the house with no shoes and the soles of my feet are very hard.

It doesn't. We have weaker feet because we prevent them, via the use of shoes and socks, from being tough.

People who's genealogy runs through hot sunny countries do not burn. Their skin has evolved not to burn. Isn't evolution wonderful?

To someone like you that prefers to remain wilfully ignorant regarding what evolution does and says...perhaps it would appear so.

That is because, due to our over-protection against 'germs' we are loosing our immunity to illness and disease. Evolution in action again.

We didn't evolve from primates. We ARE primates.

...because evolution doesn't work like that. Yet again you display your ignorance of evolution. Evolution doesn't claim that we will always 'improve' What it claims is that organisms will adapt to their current environment and will do so with the least expenditure of resources and energy possible. As an example, there is no reason to get more "more intelligent" if this is not required. Intelligence requires resources and if intelligence is not really required it will be lost.

Some animals still have structures that clearly used to be eyes, but they do not function any more as eyes. Eyes also take resources and if an animal migrates to an environment where eyes are useless and breeds there then over time we expect the eyes to evolve out of them.

There is no linear concept of "better" in evolution as you seem to think nor any expectation that evolution should follow some subjective path which you define as "better". An organism will happily get "worse" if in doing so it uses less resources and survives just as well.

Your god is an appalling designer.
  • In the human female, a fertilized egg can implant into the fallopian tube, cervix or ovary rather than the uterus causing an ectopic pregnancy. The existence of a cavity between the ovary and the fallopian tube could indicate a flawed design in the female reproductive system. Prior to modern surgery, ectopic pregnancy invariably caused the deaths of both mother and baby. Even in modern times, in almost all cases the pregnancy must be aborted to save the life of the mother.
  • In the human female, the birth canal passes through the pelvis. The prenatal skull will deform to a surprising extent. However, if the baby's head is significantly larger than the pelvic opening, the baby cannot be born naturally. Prior to the development of modern surgery (caesarean section), such a complication would lead to the death of the mother, the baby, or both. Other birthing complications such as breech birth are worsened by this position of the birth canal.
  • In the human male, testes develop initially within the abdomen. Later during gestation, they migrate through the abdominal wall into the *******. This causes two weak points in the abdominal wall where hernias can later form. Prior to modern surgical techniques, complications from hernias, including intestinal blockage, gangrene, etc., usually resulted in death.[7]
  • The existence of the pharynx, a passage used for both ingestion and respiration, with the consequent drastic increase in the risk of choking.
  • The breathing reflex is stimulated not directly by the absence of oxygen but rather indirectly by the presence of carbon dioxide. A result is that, at high altitudes, oxygen deprivation can occur in unadapted individuals who do not consciously increase their breathing rate.
  • The human appendix is a vestigial organ with no known purpose.[citation needed] However, appendicitis, an infection of this useless organ, is a certain death without medical intervention.
Other flaws

  • Barely used nerves and muscles, such as the plantaris muscle of the foot,[8] that are missing in part of the human population and are routinely harvested as spare parts if needed during operations. Another example is the muscles that move the ears, which some people can learn to control to a degree, but serve no purpose in any case ([1] p. 328).
  • The common malformation of the human spinal column, leading to scoliosis, sciatica and congenital misalignment of the vertebrae.
  • Almost all animals and plants synthesize their own vitamin C, but humans cannot because the gene for this enzyme is defective (Pseudogene ΨGULO).[9] Lack of vitamin C results in scurvy and eventually death. The gene is also non-functional in other primates and in guinea pigs, but is functional in most other animals.[10]
  • The prevalence of congenital diseases and genetic disorders such as Huntington's Disease.
  • Crowded teeth and poor sinus drainage, as human faces are significantly flatter than those of other primates and humans share the same tooth set. This results in a number of problems, most notably with wisdom teeth.
  • The structure of humans' eyes (as well as those of all vertebrates). The retina is 'inside out'. The nerves and blood vessels lie on the surface of the retina instead of behind it as is the case in many invertebrate species. This arrangement forces a number of complex adaptations and gives mammals a blind spot. (See Evolution of the eye).
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_poor_design

Aren't alot of these caused by "sociatal" evolution (darn fruit from the Tree of Knowledge) rather than "biological" evolution?

I'm sincerley asking vs challenging; I don't have a "dog in this fight" at this time in my life.
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Old 08-26-2016, 12:16 PM
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Originally Posted by coschristi View Post
Aren't alot of these caused by "sociatal" evolution (darn fruit from the Tree of Knowledge) rather than "biological" evolution?
Such as?
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Old 08-26-2016, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cupper3 View Post
Let's face it, if you're the male cohort of the human species, you're well aware that the only organ that is external to the human body, are your testicles. All your other sensitive and vulnerable organs are well inside your body cavity protected.

The question becomes why? Well the scientific answer is that the human testicles have to be cooler the normal body temperature otherwise sperm will not be produced. Now the strange part about that is, that many mammals have internal testicles including rhinoceroses, all marine mammals, and elephants. Even more interesting is, that birds have internal testicles, and their body temperature is higher than humans.

If there was an intelligent designer out there, why would that designer make humans handicapped, yet be able to make rhinoceros testicles that can be internal?
Yes, external testicles are definitely a handicap, especially when you're playing soccer.

("Hey! When I said 'Kick the ball' I meant the soccer ball")
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