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The weird thing is, when I use this approach,
I'm even more aware of the fact that there's no gods.
I appreciate your honesty.
This sitting in stillness, usually called meditation...is why I do...BUT, I meditate for hours
and hours...and for decades...haha, last night I was in awe because
I closed my eyes, they got teary, my heart swelled, because in less than a minute I realized
I reach a place of such love coming out of 'nowhere' that I never did 30-40 years ago...my mind in
in my 20s was so active ...gosh, the first hour was just thinking!
A person does not need to call what they feel -'coming from God'-but when stilled the thinking
mind takes a back seat...and within us is a fountain or a well of such love and joy and peace...
and an inflowing of deep insights.
I highly recommend it...but at the same time , I don't care if people do.
Take care, KC
I excuse your rudeness because you probably haven't followed the argument about an Intelligent Universe and what can be called "God" (intelligent/Forward -planning) or Nature (Unthinking physical processes).
Who are the absolutist that decided/decides what can be called "God"?
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But surely you understood the well-known analogy of water fitting a hole to make a puddle, not the hole being the right shape to fit the water? This is the false Creationist idea of an intended or planned result which could not come about by evolutionary means. This Planned result is the main reason why Creationists can't understand evolution.
Not all creationist believe in per-destination. By saying creationist can't understand evolution, are you saying if they understood it, to your satisfaction, they would abandon any God or supernatural belief?
My original post to which you responded, simply questioned how anyone could observe nature and continue to boast there's no evidence for a Creator. It's being reported that Marlin Perkins was an atheist, so I guess it's just something I'm at a loss to understand.
My original post to which you responded, simply questioned how anyone could observe nature and continue to boast there's no evidence for a Creator. It's being reported that Marlin Perkins was an atheist, so I guess it's just something I'm at a loss to understand.
Creation is evidence that creation exists. Possible explanations for how that came to be are not limited to a creator. In fact a creator / first mover is subject to an infinite regress problem with no real solution other than a lame resort to the concept of the supernatural, which as I've pointed out many times, is a explanation that explains exactly nothing.
Some object that such complexity and beauty cannot be the result of "random" events but that is usually based on a common misconception on top of a common misconception. First, evolution is often mischaracterized as "completely random" and secondly, evolution doesn't explain origins of life or matter and doesn't even try to. All it describes is how species evolve once they are there.
We (meaning theists and atheists alike) don't know enough at present about the origins of the universe to have a full explanation, we only have hypotheses at this point, some better (more testable) than others. The other problem is that the advanced math and physics required to begin to understand it is rather beyond most of us. It is tempting then for theists to bypass all this bother and just declare by faith that it went down a certain way. But that would be a mistake. The rational default is to remain open to all possibilities until one of them is substantiated.
Personally I think it will turn out that there is in fact a multiverse and that it is not time dependent (= eternal). I think the strange math that would prove that would be pretty inaccessible so even once science has settled on an explanatory framework for how our universe came to be, some people will reject it because it's not intuitive and violates popular beliefs about origins.
And he was asked if he believes in God. He is agnostic.
Wrong: In an interview with Big Think, Tyson said, "So what people are really after is what is my stance on religion or spirituality or God, and I would say if I find a word that came closest, it would be agnostic ... at the end of the day I'd rather not be any category at all."
I agree with him. I am don't want to be put in any category either becasue as he said when asked the question of whether or not he believed in god...his first words were "I'm not convinced". Then he goes into why he is not convinced.
There are many of us who are not in need of a whole lot of labels like that or don't agree with certain labels.
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Therefore Neil can't reconcile these problems we face in the universe and on earth with a God Who is good and all knowing and therefore, based upon these issues, he can't see there is a God and is therefore agnostic.
Wrong: In an interview with Big Think, Tyson said, "So what people are really after is what is my stance on religion or spirituality or God, and I would say if I find a word that came closest, it would be agnostic ... at the end of the day I'd rather not be any category at all."
He is a brilliant mind which is why he is not convinced. He sees through all the myths touted in every single religion that has ever been invented.
You can listen to other lectures of his, which you can find on YouTube, and he does a very good job of describing why he is not convinced.
To him spirituality is: "For me, when I say spiritual, I’m referring to a feeling you would have that connects you to the universe in a way that it may defy simple vocabulary. We think about the universe as an intellectual playground, which it surely is, but the moment you learn something that touches an emotion rather than just something intellectual, I would call that a spiritual encounter with the universe."
My original post to which you responded, simply questioned how anyone could observe nature and continue to boast there's no evidence for a Creator. It's being reported that Marlin Perkins was an atheist, so I guess it's just something I'm at a loss to understand.
Where did your belief in creationism come from? You were not born with the belief so where did your belief in creationisms come from?
Are you a young earth creationist or an old earth creationist?
Perhaps you can explain your views of creationism?
You were not born with the idea of a "creator" so where did this idea come from?
Nature. I was never indoctrinated into any belief system. As far as I can remember I've always revered nature and felt there was a Creator behind the creation.
Originally Posted by Eusebius And he was asked if he believes in God. He is agnostic.
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Originally Posted by Matadora
Wrong: In an interview with Big Think, Tyson said, "So what people are really after is what is my stance on religion or spirituality or God, and I would say if I find a word that came closest, it would be agnostic ... at the end of the day I'd rather not be any category at all."
I agree with him. I am don't want to be put in any category either becasue as he said when asked the question of whether or not he believed in god...his first words were "I'm not convinced". Then he goes into why he is not convinced.
There are many of us who are not in need of a whole lot of labels like that or don't agree with certain labels.
Nature. I was never indoctrinated into any belief system. As far as I can remember I've always revered nature and felt there was a Creator behind the creation.
Can you describe this creator? What are it's defining characteristics?
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...BUT, I meditate for hours
...gosh, the first hour was just thinking! 
