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Old 07-12-2011, 08:48 PM
 
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Good science (By which I mean science conforming to the scientific method and the logical rules of empirical validation,
Have we ever observed spontaneous Abiogenesis? didn't think so. Evolution is hardly "good science." But they will claim this up until the day they are face to face with the Creator at the Great White Judgment seat of Christ in which every thought and action of their life will be read back to them like a book judging their righteousness. The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23 KJV). Atonement of sins is through the Messiah (John 14:6 KJV) Jesus and him alone because he was the creator born as a man (Colossians 1:15 KJV).

The mercy seat is still available. Accept the free gift while it's still there. The biblical message is not based upon organized "religion." All one needs is a good Bible and do what it says. This is exactly what the organized establishment doesn't want you to hear. So the concept is truth, not fear. Now's the time to grasp this message. Not when there is no hope. Time is merely a notion of God's grace. Tomorrow we'll be dead. Will we have a cloak for our sin in the image of the Christ? Or will we be face to face with a holy righteous Judge with no cloak for our sin? Open your hearts while there's still time.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:04 PM
 
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You lot really amaze me in thinking that non believers are somehow going to be fooled by some antichrist of sorts. Please give us a bit more credit than that.
They sure jumped all over Obama didn't they. It's not to hard to deceive the masses controlling the flow of information while playing on their emotions. They're sure doing a great job of that now! All you need is to keep feeding people to the machine of the media, TV, film industry etc. It's been working like a charm.

And anyways when the AC proclaims himself to be God, he won't be using deception. At this point he will be using force (Rev 13 KJV). Deception by lies, charisma, and flattery when not in authority and force when in authority. Same formula as Hitler Germany. Sadly, it looks like we're heading down that path again. I don't give the masses much credit as they are still gazing into their TV sets believing it to be an accurate representation of reality while their country is getting sold out from beneath them. Maybe a Ron Paul sign will help. Boy oh boy are we in for a surprise.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:23 AM
 
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Order to disorder friend. It's called entropy. The second law of thermodynamics.
...which you obviously know very little about. Why is it that apologists like you always leave out a very important piece when you quote the 2nd Law. Next time you quote entropy, please include 'in a closed system'.
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Old 07-13-2011, 01:26 AM
 
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They sure jumped all over Obama didn't they. It's not to hard to deceive the masses controlling the flow of information while playing on their emotions. They're sure doing a great job of that now! All you need is to keep feeding people to the machine of the media, TV, film industry etc. It's been working like a charm.
Obama is the POTUS not the POT world. Unlike you US woos, the rest of the world does not really see the US as a world leader even though many US folk believe that. But Shrub 1 and Shrub 2 and Clinton were all antichrists so too was Kissinger and the list goes on.

It seem that only in the US is this end of daze so rampant but then it is not surprising seeing that many US citizens are so ignorant of the world and world events thinking Africa is a country and its President is Mandela viz your princess Palin and probably 90% did not even know where Afghanistan is prior to 9-11, how the EU was formulated and how it works.

This being the result of perverted patriotism that the US is the greatest country on earth when the truth is YOU ARE ONLY 5% of the global population. The dumbed down education you have also keeps most of you in the dark wrt the reality of what is going on in the real world.
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And anyways when the AC proclaims himself to be God, he won't be using deception.
Oh but he is supposed to. Does it not say that he would deceive the very elect (aka US citizens seeing you claim to be the current keepers of the oracles of god)?
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At this point he will be using force (Rev 13 KJV). Deception by lies, charisma, and flattery when not in authority and force when in authority.
So America is going to take on the whole world. Hmm that should be interesting. Should we give Gorbachev a heads up? Whoops he is no longer the president of the USSR.
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Same formula as Hitler Germany. Sadly, it looks like we're heading down that path again. I don't give the masses much credit as they are still gazing into their TV sets believing it to be an accurate representation of reality while their country is getting sold out from beneath them. Maybe a Ron Paul sign will help. Boy oh boy are we in for a surprise.
Whoops RP is retiring. Roll out the AC. Could the next AC be Palin or Bachman? Folk like you deserve a dingbat president like that. Just hope the sensible US citizens will not give them the magic suitcase or codes, I guess that is no threat as they apparently cannot read.
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Old 07-13-2011, 02:11 AM
 
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Obama is the POTUS not the POT world. Unlike you US woos, the rest of the world does not really see the US as a world leader even though many US folk believe that. But Shrub 1 and Shrub 2 and Clinton were all antichrists so too was Kissinger and the list goes on.
I don't claim Obama is this infamous AC. The point being the "masses" are being played like a deck of cards with no end in sight.

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It seem that only in the US is this end of daze so rampant but then it is not surprising seeing that many US citizens are so ignorant of the world and world events thinking Africa is a country and its President is Mandela viz your princess Palin and probably 90% did not even know where Afghanistan is prior to 9-11, how the EU was formulated and how it works.
nope. You're assumption. She's just another talking head they put in place to control any true ground roots opposition. And the public fell for it. The tea party now is just a place where people that are waking up can go to feel like something is going to get done. Add to this group the Glen Beck, Alex Jones, and Jesse Ventura crowd. In reality, it's the same thing with a different label. Playing on the emotions. Kicking the ball a little bit ahead each time.

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This being the result of perverted patriotism that the US is the greatest country on earth when the truth is YOU ARE ONLY 5% of the global population. The dumbed down education you have also keeps most of you in the dark wrt the reality of what is going on in the real world.
I agree! The educational system is mind control at its best. Brainwashing our kids we are descendants from Apes et al. America is blinded with Patriotism while the elite are setting up for their one-world Dictatorship.

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Does it not say that he would deceive the very elect (aka US citizens seeing you claim to be the current keepers of the oracles of god)?
It says "if it were possible" it would decieve even the elect (Matt 24:24 KJV). This means many that are in the "Christian" organized establishment, but not true Christ-following, Bible-believing Christians will be decieved. Due to the prophesied apostacy, it is expected the "Christian" "churches" to be the primary source of this deception. All signs pointing to the Vatican at the head. Seeing the ecumenical protestant movement being friendly with the Vatican like the reformation was all some big misunderstanding, all the pieces are starting to fit together unfortunately as it's led by false prophets Rick Joyner and company.

The blinded patriotic fervor of a "Christian Nation" could indeed lead the way. Obama said he was a Christian. He also said he was a muslim. Which is it? Christ says you know a Christian by their fruits. If you and others read the Bible, it says love and pray for your enemies. Our true enemy is spiritual. Many Christian denominations have established a notion of "dominionism" << look it up... it's not Biblical. Just because something is proclaimed as "Christian" doesn't mean it is. No wonder Christianity has a bad name. Many churches have neglected the Bible, as is prophecied in these times. Reading the Bible is the cure for any confusion on what is expected of a Christian. God does not change.

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So America is going to take on the whole world. Hmm that should be interesting. Should we give Gorbachev a heads up? Whoops he is no longer the president of the USSR. Whoops RP is retiring. Roll out the AC. Could the next AC be Palin or Bachman?
America is on the verge of collapse. You're talking to someone that has shown evidence they have all sold us out. They are playing the masses like a deck of cards. America has already lost its sovereignty. Americans just don't know it yet.

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Folk like you deserve a dingbat president like that. Just hope the sensible US citizens will not give them the magic suitcase or codes, I guess that is no threat as they apparently cannot read.
Insults. Are you a child?
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Old 07-13-2011, 02:44 AM
 
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I don't claim Obama is this infamous AC. The point being the "masses" are being played like a deck of cards with no end in sight.
Oh maybe you do not but your ilk had shrub 2.0 pegged as THE AC and there were numerous end of daze websites pointing to all teh signs of teh times.
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nope. You're assumption. She's just another talking head they put in place to control any true ground roots opposition. And the public fell for it. The tea party now is just a place where people that are waking up can go to feel like something is going to get done. Add to this group the Glen Beck, Alex Jones, and Jesse Ventura crowd. In reality, it's the same thing with a different label. Playing on the emotions. Kicking the ball a little bit ahead each time.
And who do you think their audience is? Your poorly educated folk.
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I agree! The educational system is mind control at its best. Brainwashing our kids we are descendants from Apes et al. America is blinded with Patriotism while the elite are setting up for their one-world Dictatorship.
Proves my point of the lack of proper education, you too know nothing of evolution as you were never taught it properly.

Where is this one world dictator supposed to come from? You really know nothing of the culture of places other than the US do you. My guess is you have never set foot outside the US.
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It says "if it were possible" it would decieve even the elect (Matt 24:24 KJV). This means many that are in the "Christian" organized establishment, but not true Christ-following, Bible-believing Christians will be decieved. Due to the prophesied apostacy, it is expected the "Christian" "churches" to be the primary source of this deception. All signs pointing to the Vatican at the head. Seeing the ecumenical protestant movement being friendly with the Vatican like the reformation was all some big misunderstanding, all the pieces are starting to fit together unfortunately as it's led by false prophets Rick Joyner and company.
Yup the no true Scotsman fallacy, how convenient. Actually I bet most moderate xians would applaud a rapture of your ilk and not have to deal anymore with the stupid rhetoric you espouse.
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The blinded patriotic fervor of a "Christian Nation" could indeed lead the way. Obama said he was a Christian. He also said he was a muslim. Which is it? Christ says you know a Christian by their fruits. If you and others read the Bible, it says love and pray for your enemies. Our true enemy is spiritual. Many Christian denominations have established a notion of "dominionism" << look it up... it's not Biblical. Just because something is proclaimed as "Christian" doesn't mean it is. No wonder Christianity has a bad name. Many churches have neglected the Bible, as is prophecied in these times. Reading the Bible is the cure for any confusion on what is expected of a Christian. God does not change.
The bible is an excellent resource for deconversion. If you ever bothered to study it, its roots, the history, you too will realize that this nonsense you believe in is man-made, it is ALL man-made.

Why should your POTUS have to prove a religious affiliation anyway, there is no constitutional requirement.
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America is on the verge of collapse. You're talking to someone that has shown evidence they have all sold us out. They are playing the masses like a deck of cards. America has already lost its sovereignty. Americans just don't know it yet.
America never had sovereignty to begin with. Maybe you should read some USA history and educate yourself.
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Insults. Are you a child?
No I am 53, you are obviously very young and still highly uneducated. You folk deserve to be/feel insulted. It is pretty obvious that your worldview is US centric.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:18 AM
 
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...which you obviously know very little about.
Personal insult. Good way to start off. It shows your maturity.


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Why is it that apologists like you always leave out a very important piece when you quote the 2nd Law. Next time you quote entropy, please include 'in a closed system'.
Science indeed supports the notion the universe is a finite, thus closed system as the universe is heading toward thermal equilibrium thus eventual heat death. If signs point to this closed system having an end, it must have had a beginning.

Suggesting the universe is an open system is a mere rescue devise by the evolution religious establishment to wiggle around the known laws of the universe. "Evolution is true so it must be an open system" thinking. Doesn't hold water.

ΔS(universe) = - ΔG/T(system)
- ΔG/T(system) = - ΔH/T(system) + ΔS(system)


A finite universe and entropy laws support the Biblical creation view. Secular "Scientists" don't like the idea that the spirit of God did it. So their imaginations started wandering off imagining ways it could happen without the creator. This is why they are in deep space nine pulling rescue devises left and right to support their view, calling anyone that puts God into the equation derogatory names like little children do to each other in attempts to discredit the source.


This is what God thinks about it.

Romans 1:18-25 (King James Version)

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

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Old 07-13-2011, 03:26 AM
 
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Personal insult. Good way to start off. It shows your maturity.
You may take it as an insult if you wish. I was merely pointing that using the second Law to justify creationism proves that you know nothing of the 2nd Law.

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Science indeed supports the notion the universe is a finite, thus closed system as the universe is heading toward thermal equilibrium thus eventual heat death. If signs point to this closed system having an end, it must have had a beginning.
I was referring to the Earth. It is not a closed system.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:46 AM
 
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Where is this one world dictator supposed to come from?
Global power looks to shift to the United Nations. Could it be there? Who knows. They are rebuilding Babylon (Modern day Iraq). I won't bother responding to the rest of the insults. I'll just say look deeper. If you don't, it's not on my hands.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:56 AM
 
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Global power looks to shift to the United Nations. Could it be there? Who knows. They are rebuilding Babylon (Modern day Iraq). I won't bother responding to the rest of the insults. I'll just say look deeper. If you don't, it's not on my hands.
No Laddie

The UN has been around for some time now and the only ones "rebuilding" Iraq are you yanks that blew it all up in the first place.

So the AC has to come out of Amerika as that is where this woo end of daze culture emanates from. Problem is, or should I say reality is that countries are no longer taking their queues from the US anymore. No nation has a military as powerful as the US technologically speaking, Russia is up there but more as a deterrent to the US.

Sadly you have been duped in the mind games played out on you by your govt. and your churches.

Oh I will keep challenging your postulations as they are all based on lies and garbage.
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