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View Poll Results: What would be the reaction if Muslims had done them
It would be considered Islamic terrorism. 22 66.67%
It would be ignored. 0 0%
The story would not make national news. 4 12.12%
None of the above. 7 21.21%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-05-2016, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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From what I can tell by surfing the web, the FBI director did not call the shootings in Charleston to be a terrorist attack.


If you do a web search on "Charleston shooting terrorist", you will see that multiple news sources thought the attack should be called a terrorist attack.
Yes it should have been, but it wasn't
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Old 01-05-2016, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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Even though there were no Muslims involved, our Attorney General called the Sikh killings to be "an act of terrorism".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiscon...emple_shooting

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Old 01-05-2016, 07:49 PM
 
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Those news stories are the acts of mentally ill people working alone. They did not have access to other crazies and form elaborate plans. When that shooting happened in California there was hesitation at first declaring it Islamic terrorism until it was proven it was. I see what you are saying though.
Hello! These Muslim terrorists are not normal Muslims!

I know it's tempting to think as Islam as evil. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.

But this has less to do with religion and more about psychology.

The truth about suicide bombers - The Boston Globe
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...suicide-bomber
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/revie...uicide-bombers

Some of it is absolute belief in one's ideas. Some of it is suicidal tendency.
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Old 01-05-2016, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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It says here that our Attorney General call the Sikh killings to be "an act of terrorism".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiscon...emple_shooting
Which it was. But it is still a rarity for an act by a non-Muslim to be called terrorism.
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Old 01-05-2016, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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it is still a rarity for an act by a non-Muslim to be called terrorism.
You can go on believing whatever you want, but it would be nice to back it up with facts.

For example, how many crimes has the FBI declared to be terrorist acts?

How many of those involved Muslims?

I have no idea.
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Old 01-06-2016, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Not-a-Theist
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The point is that terrorism stems from everywhere, but is rarely reported as terrorism unless the story is linked with Islam.
Terrorism is one type of evil [or crime, violence, etc.]. The point is all evils must be condemned, resolved and prevented as best as we can. Therefore even if some crimes and evils acts are not called 'terrorism' no sane person or authority [especially developed countries] would have turned a blind eye to it.


There are various views on evil and violent acts that has happened in the USA.
Whenever there are evil acts that involved Muslims the first thing Obama declared is, it is has nothing to do with Islam and/or it is not terrorism.
The Fort Hood Shooting by a Muslim was labeled as 'workplace violence'. In other cases, the government recognized certain acts by Muslims as terrorism but still insists that has nothing to do with Islam.


So there are two categories of different and dissenting views from the Government, the Medias and the Public.


There are many violent and terror acts related to race and other factors.
From what is reported it is obvious those are acts of terrors and is terrorism in the widest sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Terrorism in the narrowest sense has an element of political motive.
Why many [not all, especially the US Government] relate violent acts by Muslims to Islam is because Islam claimed in many ways it has a political element.
Therefore it not wrong to link evils and violent acts by Muslims as terrorism by definition.


Whatever the labeling confusions which obviously must be corrected, the critical factor is to find the truth and the ultimate cause of any violent act so that preventive actions can be taken.


The most dangerous move by the Muslim apologists and those on the Left is the denial of the ultimate root cause to what is rightly Islam-inspired violence as committed by SOME [not all] who are influenced and motivated by the large number of evil laden verses [of various degrees] in the Quran and the martial ethos of Muhammad.
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:14 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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When a holy man and his words are immune to criticism, religious conflicts will never end.


The most curious social convention of the great age in which we live is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected.
— H L Mencken,
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Old 01-06-2016, 03:35 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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The fact are;
1. The Quran is both inherently good and evil. More than 55% of the 6,236 verses of the Quran contain evil laden elements of various degrees with a no-holds-barred passport.
Can you give some examples?
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Old 01-06-2016, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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Terrorism is one type of evil [or crime, violence, etc.]. The point is all evils must be condemned, resolved and prevented as best as we can. Therefore even if some crimes and evils acts are not called 'terrorism' no sane person or authority [especially developed countries] would have turned a blind eye to it.


There are various views on evil and violent acts that has happened in the USA.
Whenever there are evil acts that involved Muslims the first thing Obama declared is, it is has nothing to do with Islam and/or it is not terrorism.
The Fort Hood Shooting by a Muslim was labeled as 'workplace violence'. In other cases, the government recognized certain acts by Muslims as terrorism but still insists that has nothing to do with Islam.


So there are two categories of different and dissenting views from the Government, the Medias and the Public.


There are many violent and terror acts related to race and other factors.
From what is reported it is obvious those are acts of terrors and is terrorism in the widest sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Terrorism in the narrowest sense has an element of political motive.
Why many [not all, especially the US Government] relate violent acts by Muslims to Islam is because Islam claimed in many ways it has a political element.
Therefore it not wrong to link evils and violent acts by Muslims as terrorism by definition.


Whatever the labeling confusions which obviously must be corrected, the critical factor is to find the truth and the ultimate cause of any violent act so that preventive actions can be taken.


The most dangerous move by the Muslim apologists and those on the Left is the denial of the ultimate root cause to what is rightly Islam-inspired violence as committed by SOME [not all] who are influenced and motivated by the large number of evil laden verses [of various degrees] in the Quran and the martial ethos of Muhammad.
^^^ Very good post.
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Old 01-06-2016, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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You can go on believing whatever you want, but it would be nice to back it up with facts.

For example, how many crimes has the FBI declared to be terrorist acts?

How many of those involved Muslims?

I have no idea.
From FBI sources I only found listings from 2001-2011. I did not count then but seems to have been at least 75. although almost all of them were plans to commit rerrorism and not any actual attack. Every one of them involved Muslims. Not a single act by non-Muslims was labelled Terrorism during that time period.

Here is the list

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/ten-yea...investigations
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